Paul Bevan Farewell Thread

[pinkemu]

There was a part in the telecast when Roos was screaming at a player from the sidelines who was daydreaming. Didn't see the player, but Roos did an impersonation of them.

I'm pretty sure it was Bevan.

I saw this to and if true it's a pretty childish act on Roos part.
It's one thing to scream instruction from the sideline but it's a little bit OTT to be mimicking someones character.
Maybe Roosy should go back up to the coaches box.

[Go Swannies]

There was a part in the telecast when Roos was screaming at a player from the sidelines who was daydreaming. Didn't see the player, but Roos did an impersonation of them.

I'm pretty sure it was Bevan.

I had my binoculars on Roos at that moment and I think the player who ran off was Malceski. If he was shell-shocked, he wasn't the only one out there. But at least he and a handful of others were trying. Most of the team gave up in the first five minutes.

[Matty10]

I had my binoculars on Roos at that moment and I think the player who ran off was Malceski. If he was shell-shocked, he wasn't the only one out there. But at least he and a handful of others were trying. Most of the team gave up in the first five minutes.

I thought the same thing from the telecast (that it was Mal. rather than Bevan, as mentioned on here), but have not re-checked it yet to confirm. I thought at the time that Roos and others were trying to make sure that Eski ran through the interchange markers, and that he was oblivious to the danger and what they were saying (hence the Roos impersonation). But as I said I will need to have another look.

[DST]

Who? I could name a few who were about as effective as those two but only one, maybe two, who were worse.

I don't normally name names, but you can come up with 9 players easily who struggled in the game who were worse than Bevan or LRT.

* Goodes (struggled as a key forward)
* White (had no impact at all and fumbled whenever he went near the ball)
* Jetta (does not work hard enough without the ball at present)
* Bolton (was he out there this week)
* McVeigh (as above)
* Bird (could not go with Heath Shaw)
* Pyke (ruck work is good, but we are effectively playing with 17 when he is on the ground)
* Hannaberry (love him, but he had his first real shocker)
* Jack (turned it over constantly)

DST

[BSA5]

I don't normally name names, but you can come up with 9 players easily who struggled in the game who were worse than Bevan or LRT.

* Goodes (struggled as a key forward)
* White (had no impact at all and fumbled whenever he went near the ball)
* Jetta (does not work hard enough without the ball at present)
* Bolton (was he out there this week)
* McVeigh (as above)
* Bird (could not go with Heath Shaw)
* Pyke (ruck work is good, but we are effectively playing with 17 when he is on the ground)
* Hannaberry (love him, but he had his first real shocker)
* Jack (turned it over constantly)

DST

Goodes - On a very good opponent, better than Bevan, equal with LRT, though we expect more.
White - Agreed, he was ordinary (not always the case when he has a quiet game, but he was ordinary this time)
Jetta - Disagree, he provided some spark, he was one of the few players who was able to run to space and break through, he worked very hard all night, but things just didn't come off for him. Ineffective, I guess, but it wasn't for lack of trying, and the tools were definitely on show.
Bolton - Middle of the pack. Certainly not our worst.
Bird - Played out of position on a very good opponent, kicked a goal, and stepped up when put into the midfield. Far better than Bevan, probably on par with LRT in terms of overall output, but suffered in an unfamiliar role (he's not even that bad up forward, but it was just as a defensive forward that he was ineffecitve).
Hanners - Agree, had a shocker.
Jack - Spark and grunt, wasn't fantastic but certainly better than Bevan, probably better than LRT.

For the record I didn't mind LRT's game, he was fairly poor but not horrible, had some rotten luck with some very good Pies delivery.

[Nico]

Last night had nothing to do with either Bevan or LRT.

This stupid infatuation with getting rid of players who have nothing to do with the overall results, because they are called Bevan or LRT has to stop.

We got smashed in the midfield last night, let the ball out of our forward 50 far to easily and then were cut to shreds with better ball use coming into Collingwood's forward 50 to players who were isolated and one and one.

In that situation Craig Bolton and Matthew Scarlett are going to lose their share of one on one contests when the ball is coming in that easy and to their advantage.

Look at the midfield last night and our small forwards who were woeful.

DST

I didn't see the game DST, but I got a text in the 2nd quarter to say we were being smashed out of the centre. It appears it contunued for the game. I have harped on about this for years and to me there is a fundamental issue with the players they put in the guts for these contests and the roles of players at centre contests. There is a midfield coach who has been with us for a while so you would reckon he would have come under pressure to sort it out, but it appears not. Is it a senior coaching group strategy? I don't get it. All oppostion teams tear us up at centre bounces. I doubt on past history this will change until our current coach bows out and Longmire takes over. We live in hope.

Bolton and Kirk are as slow as treacle and rarely get a centre clearance and when they do it is pretty scrappy. They appear to have roles of blocking and holding. If you look closely Bolton plays that role poorly. That leaves a ruckman and a midfielder to try to get the pill. And our best centre clearance player continues to get cold at CHF. Not that he has ever been played anywhere near enough at centre clearances.

[CJK]

The post loss 'blame Bevan' thread continues to be predictably and boring.

It's almost as is most of you believe if we dump him it's five premierships back to back, guaranteed....

[Bloody Hell]

The post loss 'blame Bevan' thread continues to be predictably and boring.

It's almost as is most of you believe if we dump him it's five premierships back to back, guaranteed....

There seem to be a few posts like this in this thread. Noone is blaming Bevan for the loss (or LRT). It is simply noting that Bevan is an absolute hack who brings nothing to the team and is a liability. Unfortunately the 'let's all love one another' brigade has taken over and there's no critical dialouge about what Bevan brings to the table....IN EVERY GAME.

[707]

I like Bevo but agree that his time may have past with the modern fast high skill game that needs to be played now to be a top side. being I dont see him in our best 22 any more and fear he is in danger of becoming a "list clogger".

I won't however hear of LRT being of little value. He had a very tough job Saturday night with some excellent Collingwood entries into the 50 and a couple of tough umpiring calls. His ws not any easy job given the amount and quality of Collingwood ball into his part of the ground. He always gets the biggest opposition forwards and would be surprisingly (to some on here) sadly missed if he wasn't there.

[Matty10]

There seem to be a few posts like this in this thread. Noone is blaming Bevan for the loss (or LRT). It is simply noting that Bevan is an absolute hack who brings nothing to the team and is a liability. Unfortunately the 'let's all love one another' brigade has taken over and there's no critical dialouge about what Bevan brings to the table....IN EVERY GAME.

This thread, and others like them, are hardly engaged in a 'critical dialogue' - they were born out of frustration from the loss on the weekend - which is why many on here think that the frustration is misplaced - as we have far bigger problems than whether or not Bevan "is an absolute hack."

Regardless of the particular form slump that Leon Davis may be in, the fact remains that Bevan, as a defender, beat his direct opponent - the same as the game before. However, he missed a critical tackle on the weekend and turned the ball over at times as well - he clearly needs to improve in those areas (like so many of our players will need to do if we want to be a winning team more often than not). But he also got himself in the right positions (goal side), more often than not to make it difficult for his opponent to score, and he does not get bumped off the ball as easily as others more skilled (Eski for example). He does have a role to play in the team. Others may argue that there are players who would be better suited to the role, but at this stage the coaching staff disagree. I am happy enough to defer to their judgment on this particular issue.

[wearebloods]

The post loss 'blame Bevan' thread continues to be predictably and boring.

It's almost as is most of you believe if we dump him it's five premierships back to back, guaranteed....

He's been on the list 6+ years and he still hasn't been able to "Pwn" a position.

At 26, he should be nearing the peak of his powers..."potential" doesn't cut it anymore.

If his current output is the best he can deliver, why do you believe he is worth persisting with/deserving of a place in the seniors?

[Bloody Hell]

This thread, and others like them, are hardly engaged in a 'critical dialogue' - they were born out of frustration from the loss on the weekend - which is why many on here think that the frustration is misplaced - as we have far bigger problems than whether or not Bevan "is an absolute hack."

Regardless of the particular form slump that Leon Davis may be in, the fact remains that Bevan, as a defender, beat his direct opponent - the same as the game before. However, he missed a critical tackle on the weekend and turned the ball over at times as well - he clearly needs to improve in those areas (like so many of our players will need to do if we want to be a winning team more often than not). But he also got himself in the right positions (goal side), more often than not to make it difficult for his opponent to score, and he does not get bumped off the ball as easily as others more skilled (Eski for example). He does have a role to play in the team. Others may argue that there are players who would be better suited to the role, but at this stage the coaching staff disagree. I am happy enough to defer to their judgment on this particular issue.

Nice post - shame it's a total fabrication.

Bevan did not beat Davis. He was constantly lead to the ball, turned around, out of position and generally outplayed - but this is nothing new for Bevan. When Davis butchered the ball running into an open goal, where was Bevan? 30m behind him trotting towards goal. How does a close checking defender give his opponent 30m?!? The role he plays in the team can be played by other, better players. He has found his way into the Seniors through injuries, not form - and has proven once again he is not up to the challenge.

As you say we have far bigger problems than Bevan, but I think we can solve more than one problem at a time. Bevan is a problem.

[Matty10]

Nice post - shame it's a total fabrication.

Good one .

As a defender, if your total net worth is greater than that of your opponent, I would say that you have done your job. That does not mean that Bevan had a great game, but it does mean he contributed.

[The Goodes]

I think he's going to be delisted at the season's end. I think he would have little, to zero trade value. He has always been a passenger, even in the 2005 Premiership year. Having said that, his contribution in the Collingwood game was genuinely solid, but I don't think it was enough to warrant selection over other fit players. Sory Bevo. I think he's done.

[Bloody Hell]

Good one .

As a defender, if your total net worth is greater than that of your opponent, I would say that you have done your job. That does not mean that Bevan had a great game, but it does mean he contributed.

If you judge the total net worth of a player by uncontested possessions coming out of the backline, then Bevan beat Davis hands down (he is a forward).

In reality Bevan was made to look a fool against a guy who had 7 clangers and gave away 5 frees.