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  • RogueSwan
    McVeigh for Brownlow
    • Apr 2003
    • 4602

    Originally posted by dimelb
    Not really a deaf, dumb and blind kid - just a bit slow on the uptake sometimes!
    Originally posted by Triple B
    Nice comeback
    "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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    • Hartijon
      On the Rookie List
      • May 2008
      • 1536

      Originally posted by Bloody Hell
      Maybe it is this. He's unable to get the 3m break on the lead against the top forwards that he was getting last year against lesser likes. If that's the case a spell in the two's won't help. He'll go back and all his old tricks will work, he'll kick a few bags and suffer the same issues on his return. He'd probably be better served watching a hard working forward like, dare I say it, Hall for an entire game - see what it takes.
      an

      He leads too straight. A defender can cover a straight lead much easier than a lead that fans right or left. Because he is running straight at the ball carrier they then have problem judging where to drop the ball. Good forwards fan out, often getting the ball on a sharper angle but GETTING THE BALL. As a carrier its easy to place the ball out wide with the forward running wide to that spot. Watch Geelong,St Kilda and the Pies do this.Fevola also.Then watch Jesse..you will see the difference!
      Sure if you can mark a ball like Riewoldt is currently doing you don't need to lead and it appears "hanger" Jesse took and got so much coverage for is still in his head and affecting his play.We employ coaches to fix up these kind of young player problems! What are they doing ? Looks like their solution once again is not to analyse the problem and fix it,just dump him down the 2's and let it fix itself it. I keep saying it...we are short changed in the coaching department this year!!!

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      • Nico
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 11339

        Originally posted by liz
        Don't agree. When he gets moving he is exceptionally quick for his height. I've seen him make leads over 20-30m and burn off opponents with ease. And there have been times when he has managed to create a goal out of nothing by outsprinting an opponent around the boundary line.

        It may be a laziness issue but I suspect it is more likely that it just hasn't clicked with him how hard the good forwards work, making lead after lead after lead and accepting that most won't be rewarded. Or it could be that he is receiving crap instructions about how to be an effective forward.
        Not quick in the brain perhaps.
        Last edited by Nico; 30 June 2010, 07:45 PM.
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        • Bloody Hell
          Senior Player
          • Oct 2006
          • 3085

          If only we had Playfair!
          The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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          • Cheer Squad
            Sydney Swans
            • Apr 2007
            • 1948

            We can forget about Bradshaw being part of our forward line in the short and medium term. I reckon he'll pull the plug at the end of the season. There's no point in staying when you're breaking down all the time without even getting a game.

            Injuries will sideline four key Swans players

            So, what does the future hold?

            We really are in uncharted waters now for the first time since Tony Lockett joined the club in the mid-90s. We don't have a recognisable power forward to build a team around. First it was Lockett, then Hall. And those two guys were also the focal point for the marketing of the Swans in Sydney.

            Forget about Playfair. He'll probably also pull the pin if he doesn't get delisted. Who else is there? Goodes is better off in the midfield. Moore and McGlynn are handy, but they're support players at best.

            What about the youngsters? Jesse White? The jury's still out, but probably not. Vespremi? I strongly doubt it. Jetta? We need goals, not points. Who else? TDL? Not on last week's effort. Lewis Johnston? Don't know, we haven't seen him in the seniors yet. We're kind of burning through generation next rather quickly, aren't we?

            Who do we really want as a key forward that's available, especially given the draft concessions to GC and GWS? It's going to take some very creative recruiting to fix this problem.

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            • msb
              On the Rookie List
              • Mar 2006
              • 827

              Originally posted by Cheer Squad
              We can forget about Bradshaw being part of our forward line in the short and medium term. I reckon he'll pull the plug at the end of the season. There's no point in staying when you're breaking down all the time without even getting a game.

              Injuries will sideline four key Swans players

              So, what does the future hold?

              We really are in uncharted waters now for the first time since Tony Lockett joined the club in the mid-90s. We don't have a recognisable power forward to build a team around. First it was Lockett, then Hall. And those two guys were also the focal point for the marketing of the Swans in Sydney.

              Forget about Playfair. He'll probably also pull the pin if he doesn't get delisted. Who else is there? Goodes is better off in the midfield. Moore and McGlynn are handy, but they're support players at best.

              What about the youngsters? Jesse White? The jury's still out, but probably not. Vespremi? I strongly doubt it. Jetta? We need goals, not points.
              Who else? TDL? Not on last week's effort.
              Lewis Johnston? Don't know, we haven't seen him in the seniors yet. We're kind of burning through generation next rather quickly, aren't we?

              Who do we really want as a key forward that's available, especially given the draft concessions to GC and GWS? It's going to take some very creative recruiting to fix this problem.
              IT was TDL's first game FFS! Give him a chance

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              • Mr Magoo
                Senior Player
                • May 2008
                • 1255

                Originally posted by msb
                IT was TDL's first game FFS! Give him a chance
                And White hasnt even played a full season in the forwards. Vespremis not a key forward and I doubt it was ever intended he be one, Jetta same and TDL has played one game but will never be a power forward.

                Key forwards rarely come in and dominate from day one . Kirk tippett who was hailed the nexty big thing at the crows rarely dominates and has only really had a few standout games this season and he has bigger wraps than white. Everyone is being way too impatient expecting that after a few games we will all of a sudden have a bunch of gun forwards. A perfect example of why we shouldnt just play all the young guys because this is what you get - mistakes and inconsistency.

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                • wearebloods
                  Footy!
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 244

                  Originally posted by msb
                  IT was TDL's first game FFS! Give him a chance
                  Aye

                  TDL is an opportunist little/medium man not a KPP (ffs he's only 182cm). Expecting him to be the focal point in the forward line is ludicrous. Let him lurk dangerously, without being the centre of attention and he has a reasonable chance to succeed.

                  With Goodes over 30 and not adapting too well to the life of a forward, Bradshaw's career in jeopardy, White not stepping up as yet and LJ still too raw to hold down a KP role, surely experimenting by playing Currie forward has some merit.
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                  • 31 hard at it
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 550

                    With injuries we have to bank on Jesse White .... maybe the resting ruckman should spend a bit more time up forward ... pyke ... it keeps the opposition backs on their toes and gives a better chance to at least bring the ball to ground for opportunistic forwards ... ves, tdl.

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                    • aardvark
                      Veterans List
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 5685

                      Maybe we could clone Bob Pratt...

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                      • hammo
                        Veterans List
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 5554

                        Let's not go slitting wrists just yet.

                        Goodes has had poor periods in the midfield as well. There's no reason why he won't be a good key forward and has played some good games there before. Bradshaw was in great form before his knee flared up. For now the hamstring injury can be put down to bad luck rather than a fading body (though the two injruies are probably linked in some way - happens all the time).

                        As others have pointed out, TDL is not a key forward and I agree that Jesse White is a work in progress.

                        What we may see by the end of the season is Lewis Johnston go past White in the pecking order. He was highly rated youngster and seems to be putting it together in the reserves. Reasons for optimism.

                        Ultimately though, the forward line would be significantly better if we had a midfield capable of providing quick and good service.

                        Just as Hall has been reborn under the Dogs' more direct and polished style, Goodes would dominate as a forward if he was benefiting from the service provided by a Geelong, Bulldog, St Kilda or Collingwood midfield.
                        Last edited by hammo; 7 July 2010, 12:27 PM.
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                        • Bloody Hell
                          Senior Player
                          • Oct 2006
                          • 3085

                          Originally posted by Cheer Squad
                          What about the youngsters? Jesse White? The jury's still out, but probably not. Vespremi? I strongly doubt it. Jetta? We need goals, not points. Who else? TDL? Not on last week's effort. Lewis Johnston? Don't know, we haven't seen him in the seniors yet. We're kind of burning through generation next rather quickly, aren't we?

                          Who do we really want as a key forward that's available, especially given the draft concessions to GC and GWS? It's going to take some very creative recruiting to fix this problem.
                          Gary Rohan - Full Forward

                          He wouldn't be the power forward you speak of, but once he gets a bit of weight on him will be extremely dangerous.

                          Quick - quick on the lead, great leap, great hands, straight kick, great goal sense and general awareness, doesn't stop trying and he's got red hair (easy target to spot).
                          The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                          • swansrule100
                            The quarterback
                            • May 2004
                            • 4538

                            wont we just buy or trade for someone? any 26 year old average tall forwards out there to trade away picks for or maybe a star to throw cash at.
                            Theres not much left to say

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                            • magic.merkin
                              Senior Player
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 1199

                              Originally posted by Mr Magoo
                              . A perfect example of why we shouldnt just play all the young guys because this is what you get - mistakes and inconsistency.
                              Amen Brother
                              Last edited by magic.merkin; 7 July 2010, 01:39 PM.

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                              • wearebloods
                                Footy!
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 244

                                Originally posted by swansrule100
                                wont we just buy or trade for someone? any 26 year old average tall forwards out there to trade away picks for or maybe a star to throw cash at.
                                Have to wait until 2012. For now, unless a miracle occurs, the club has to work with what they have.
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