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I think after the umpteenth kick it to self and bomb it long down the line the opposition would have twigged onto it. We have no idea on how to break the 18 man zone. What's really disappointing is that Melbourne used their quick kick-ins as a launching base for their attacks when they drew with the Pies and we didn't even do it once tonight
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need good pace and skills to break through a zone with quick ball movement. unfortunately we kick it in slowly giving the opposition time to set up meaning we have no other option than to kick it in long down the line. Old school style and people say kicking long to a contest is no more. They should come watch a swans game.Comment
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Won't get one with Roos. I hope Longmire is different.In memory of my little Staffy - Dicey, 17.06.2005 to 1.12.2011- I'll miss you mate.Comment
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How hard is it?
Get the ball and go. Worry about where you're going after - and if you get trapped bomb it long. At least you're not giving time for the opposition to get set.
Don't @@@@ around!The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.Comment
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agree - coaches and players seemed clueless on how to change tactics. no run. players standing still behind zone - answer take time, play on and bomb to a contest. Makes sense to me.Comment
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We need more than a kick-in strategy, whatever happened to the old kick the damn ball as far from the goal as you can when kicking in from full back.Can someone please explain why the hell we are playing as far out on the flanks as we can????????
How many times last night did the player with the ball on our fifty meter area kick to the flanks only to loose the ball to the opposition ???20 seconds to go first quarter 3 swans around the ball a clear run ahead of them WHAT do they do ?? Handball the ball backwards and loose it. It seems that they could not kick it to save their lives. That sort of play went on all night. Maybe we need new "SKILLS COACHES" because our skills are certainly down to non existent .L.R.T.is a good back man BUT a fullback he is not.
Whatever the "Game Plan" was it was left out on the ground at quarter time .Maybe Roos just gave up as I have never seem him so angry with the players.Just for once I would love to see the ball kicked straight down the middle for a change it cant be any worse than they are doing now.I look forward to the Richmond Game with "Fear and trembling"Last edited by Old S.M.Blood; 27 June 2010, 09:49 AM.Comment
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On paper we have such a good back line, it has been for years the key to our success. I am at a loss as to explain where our defensive strength has gone this year, considering most of the same players are still there.up the gutsComment
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Given that it is a "set play", a kick-in is like a line out in Rugby. There the throwing team calls some 'code' numbers so they know where the ball is to go.
That team re-gains possession some 70% of the time, even though all they have to play with is depth - the ball must be thrown straight between the 2 opposing lines.
In AFL there are number of advantage variables the kick-in team has - size of an AFL ground; the ability to baulk and delay the kick; kick to self that adjusts length by 10 metres or so; no constraint on location of tall players, etc.
Other teams seem to have a far more successful rate of recovery than the Swans. I felt it really was an indictment on the coaching staff that we were so predictable (and unsuccessful) in this skill and strategyComment
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pies score a behind.... shaw kicks to a contest
pies score a behind.... shaw kicks to a contest
pies score a behind.... malceski kicks to a contest
It's not all their fault because no one is running around and creating space but my god i wanted to kill someone.... several goals were scored on us because of this.Comment
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It was driving me crazy last night watching us give the ball away time and time again. Mainly I think because too many of our players just don't run hard and try to create space for others for the kick in, so the poor bugger kicking in has absolutely no options available. We have struggled with this aspect of the game ever since they changed the rules after the 05 (or 06 can't remember) seasons, but last night was absolutely abysmal. We have plenty of players that can run hard from the backline, how about a few of them try it and give the man kicking in an option. But we desperately need to be quicker with our kick ins- we take so long and let the zone set and that is what makes it doubly difficult."You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."Comment
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Roos was quoted as saying the reason that he was so annoyed at 1/4 time was that noone was following the plan. He said "we told them to kick long at kick in and what do they do? The first three kick ins are all short." But then we stuck to the plan for about a week after the Pies worked it out and were clogging our 50M line.Comment
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If that was the plan for the kick ins, than perhaps its good that Roos is leaving at the end of the season. If my memory serves me correctly, every time we have done kicks in like that this year (Generally against the better teams) it has been highly unsucessful. Kicking long to a pack is not the way to break down a zone- never has worked, never will work."You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."Comment
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