Swans selection policy

[ernie koala]

For mine our selection is ultra conservative and has been that way since 2006. And far more conservative than most other non contenders.
I think most agree, as was the case in 07, 08 and 09, we are no chance of a flag this year, and little chance of making any impact in the finals (if we make them at all).
That's 4 ordinary seasons in a row, and the same conservative approach still being applied.
Yes they 've played a few youngsters this year in Jetta and Rohan. But still young players like O'Dwyer, Vespemi, TDL, and others, who have been performing well in the 2's, get little or no chance at senior level. Where as players like Playfair, Richards, Bevan get extensive runs in the 1's, regardless of their form.
IMO it's time for a more adventurous approach.
Others thoughts?

[Yuri H]

Can't say much other than I agree completely.

[Hartijon]

For mine our selection is ultra conservative and has been that way since 2006. And far more conservative than most other non contenders.
I think most agree, as was the case in 07, 08 and 09, we are no chance of a flag this year, and little chance of making any impact in the finals (if we make them at all).
That's 4 ordinary seasons in a row, and the same conservative approach still being applied.
Yes they 've played a few youngsters this year in Jetta and Rohan. But still young players like O'Dwyer, Vespemi, TDL, and others, who have been performing well in the 2's, get little or no chance at senior level. Where as players like Playfair, Richards, Bevan get extensive runs in the 1's, regardless of their form.
IMO it's time for a more adventurous approach.
Others thoughts?

No extra thoughts other than to say I agree 100% with you. The conservative approach is a mystery to me. The fear of losing seems much greater than the desire to win.As you point out,we are not going to do anything much finals time so WHY ARE WE NOT EXPERIMENTING MORE?
Its frustrating that that goal kicking machine TDL still hasn't played one game yet look at the list who have? How was the way Vespa gets one
game? I copped a lot of criticism on here for suggesting that reasons other than football must be the reason but coaches tend to be sacred cows on this Forum. Why I have no idea,they make as many mistakes as the players!
ame

[ugg]

Playfair 4 games
Richards 4 games
Bevan 5 games

They're hardly extended runs.

We have enough young'uns playing the seniors already - Rohan, Hannebery, Jetta, Bird, Kennedy, Smith, White, Jack are all 23 or under. The ones that are actually letting the team down are the senior seniors (tautology?) We all know the problems Goodes is having, O'Keefe hasn't been the same since getting his head slammed in the Brisbane game, and the debate on Kirk's contribution is on-going.

Do you suggest we drop them?

[RogueSwan]

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Do you suggest we drop them?

Ummm
Farewell Brett Kirk thread
Farewell Adam Goodes thread
The pebbles one was a while ago during the games straight after the Blions match.

BTW I don't agree with dropping any of those three. Maybe just a little tinkering with their positions.
As for wholesale changes to bring in the youngsters, do they have the motor to play the 100 odd minutes required by senior footballers? I believe this is one reason the coaches are holding back some of the 2nd's. The TDL omission is to be questioned though. Surely he would have a good fitness base coming from the seniors in the WAFL.
Oh well, we will just have to sit back and see who is bumped and dumped this Thursday.

[Go Swannies]

I think the selection process each week since the premiership has been to give us the best chance to win each game. That's not a bad way to proceed - beats playing to lose.

However, I think the team last week was a big disappointment all round. No changes would suggest the coaches are prepared to accept that level of performance. So I'd expect (and hope for) some changes this week. However do they go for selection as punishment - even if it means we could easily lose to the Tigers?

[ugg]

I really don't think TDL has been hard done by. He suffered an injury in the NAB Cup, only returned in Round 3 and didn't exactly set the world alight. He kicked 7 in Round 8 and was then named on the emergencies before being squeezed out by some returning players. It's only in the last 3 weeks that he has hit consistent form and the papers are saying he's in contention this week for a debut.

Fitness is one reason. Another is that inexperienced players suffer ups and downs as they adjust to what is required to be a successful AFL player. For example, Grundy was in and out of the side since 2006, playing both back and forward before settling into CHB in the 2nd half of last year. McVeigh too, famously suffered a lot of criticism early on before winning the B&F. You have to strike a right balance and that's why guys like Richards, Bevan and Playfair have gotten games - they have experience under their belts.

[Triple B]

I really don't think TDL has been hard done by. He suffered an injury in the NAB Cup, only returned in Round 3 and didn't exactly set the world alight. He kicked 7 in Round 8 and was then named on the emergencies before being squeezed out by some returning players. It's only in the last 3 weeks that he has hit consistent form and the papers are saying he's in contention this week for a debut.

Word

[hammo]

I love the great myth that is being generated about Dennis-Lane (rivalling the hype with Veszpremi!). He got injured in pre season and has only remotely looked like pressing for a senior spot in the last month. He hasn't been hard done by at all and should play this weekend.

Otherwise I agree with the sentiment of the thread.

[aardvark]

Very good chance we will see teddy and henry back this week

[magic.merkin]

McVeigh has to start being able to shake/handle tags, he has deservedly attracted their best, now it's time to start to get his output up.

[Hartijon]

very good chance we will see teddy and henry back this week

lmao :d:d:d

[hammo]

McVeigh has to start being able to shake/handle tags, he has deservedly attracted their best, now it's time to start to get his output up.

Our other midfielders are too busy watching their own opponents to provide blocking for him. He gets very little help. Teams playing the Swans know they only have to shut down McVeigh because no one else is going for the ball.

[ernie koala]

Playfair 4 games
Richards 4 games
Bevan 5 games

They're hardly extended runs.

We have enough young'uns playing the seniors already - Rohan, Hannebery, Jetta, Bird, Kennedy, Smith, White, Jack are all 23 or under. The ones that are actually letting the team down are the senior seniors (tautology?) We all know the problems Goodes is having, O'Keefe hasn't been the same since getting his head slammed in the Brisbane game, and the debate on Kirk's contribution is on-going.

Do you suggest we drop them?

4 or 5 games is an extended run, when compared to 1, just ask O'Dwyer or Vespremi.
As for who I would suggest are dropped.... I'd start with Bevan and Pyke.

[Jewels]

I really don't think TDL has been hard done by. He suffered an injury in the NAB Cup, only returned in Round 3 and didn't exactly set the world alight. He kicked 7 in Round 8 and was then named on the emergencies before being squeezed out by some returning players. It's only in the last 3 weeks that he has hit consistent form and the papers are saying he's in contention this week for a debut.

Fitness is one reason. Another is that inexperienced players suffer ups and downs as they adjust to what is required to be a successful AFL player. For example, Grundy was in and out of the side since 2006, playing both back and forward before settling into CHB in the 2nd half of last year. McVeigh too, famously suffered a lot of criticism early on before winning the B&F. You have to strike a right balance and that's why guys like Richards, Bevan and Playfair have gotten games - they have experience under their belts.

Now, now, now Ugg, this is not the thread for rational thought.
This thread is the thread that ALWAYS follows a loss and always follows the same trajectory.
Dump EVERY player over 25
Replace with EVERY player that has EVER kicked a goal in the ressies (regardless of position)

AND

Sack all the coaches for good measure.