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  • stellation
    scott names the planets
    • Sep 2003
    • 9723

    #31
    Originally posted by Nich
    Was Betfair betting on this game? Nick would have laid himself and picked up some extra coin for kicking zip
    Safe to say that if there was gambling allowed on that particular game Davo isn't the ex-Swan that the bookies would be scrutinizing.
    I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
    We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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    • stellation
      scott names the planets
      • Sep 2003
      • 9723

      #32
      Originally posted by Primmy
      I used to love Nic Davis, don't get me wrong. I appreciated his efforts when they became brilliant, and he did have some brilliant games, none more so than in the last quarter against Geelong. But it took to the 4th quarter after a bake from Kirky to get him to do what he could do. Hot and cold, brilliant and not on for the day, frustrating and game breaking.
      Primmy, go and watch that wonderful 4th quarter again and they'll show the top performers to 3/4 time as they kick off the final quarter.
      Last edited by stellation; 5 July 2010, 05:02 PM.
      I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
      We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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      • giant
        Veterans List
        • Mar 2005
        • 4731

        #33
        Originally posted by ugg
        Nick Davis was held goalless for the first time in his SFL career yesterday. For the opposition, one D.Cresswell kicked 3 goals
        I noticed a J. Saddington in the best players lists as well!

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        • Go Swannies
          Veterans List
          • Sep 2003
          • 5697

          #34
          At least we got a clear answer to the Vez question yesterday. If it's a conspiracy it's widespread. Stuey Dew at the MA Noble aftermatch said that Vez needs to improve his fitness and he knows that. "When a player can only play 10 minutes before he has to come off it's too disruptive of team structure during the game".

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          • aardvark
            Veterans List
            • Mar 2010
            • 5685

            #35
            Originally posted by Go Swannies
            At least we got a clear answer to the Vez question yesterday. If it's a conspiracy it's widespread. Stuey Dew at the MA Noble aftermatch said that Vez needs to improve his fitness and he knows that. "When a player can only play 10 minutes before he has to come off it's too disruptive of team structure during the game".
            With all the info available to recruiters these days you have to ask why did we recruit an unfit player or has he gone downhill since coming to the club? Sad waste of a No 11 pick if he doesn't make it.

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            • ugg
              Can you feel it?
              Site Admin
              • Jan 2003
              • 15976

              #36
              Originally posted by Go Swannies
              At least we got a clear answer to the Vez question yesterday. If it's a conspiracy it's widespread. Stuey Dew at the MA Noble aftermatch said that Vez needs to improve his fitness and he knows that. "When a player can only play 10 minutes before he has to come off it's too disruptive of team structure during the game".
              A valid excuse at the start of the year when he was clearly blowing up after 5 or 10 minutes, but it's improved considerably and at the last 2 home reserves games I don't think it's been an issue.
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              • Hartijon
                On the Rookie List
                • May 2008
                • 1536

                #37
                Originally posted by Go Swannies
                At least we got a clear answer to the Vez question yesterday. If it's a conspiracy it's widespread. Stuey Dew at the MA Noble aftermatch said that Vez needs to improve his fitness and he knows that. "When a player can only play 10 minutes before he has to come off it's too disruptive of team structure during the game".
                Thats a bit rich coming from Stuey Dew, who could hardly have been called a runner and played in fits and bursts.Good player though!

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                • magic.merkin
                  Senior Player
                  • Jul 2008
                  • 1199

                  #38
                  Originally posted by aardvark
                  With all the info available to recruiters these days you have to ask why did we recruit an unfit player or has he gone downhill since coming to the club? Sad waste of a No 11 pick if he doesn't make it.
                  Have you read the book "The draft" where he features in it? It gives you an insight.

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                  • Go Swannies
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                    • Sep 2003
                    • 5697

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Hartijon
                    Thats a bit rich coming from Stuey Dew, who could hardly have been called a runner and played in fits and bursts.Good player though!
                    I think Stuey could stay on the park but he certainly lifted in patches. His 2008 GF "patch" has to be one of the highlights of AFL! Surprisingly, in person he looked younger and fitter than I'd expected. He looks like a slim young man - it gives you an idea of how fit AFL players have to be if he was regarded as a fat man.

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                    • Primmy
                      Proud Tragic Swan
                      • Apr 2008
                      • 5970

                      #40
                      I think being surrounded by very young players he would have to try and keep up so has probably lost a bit - I did see him preseason and there was definitely a little extra unwanted conditon evident. He has a great stare though. And when you watch him on the bench his concentration is absolute, that's probably why he had a bit of an edge and was a very good player, especially in 2008. Concentration. Its an attribute that's not mentioned much, but its so important.

                      He answered a question on Vez though. Its exactly what I had observed and wondered about.
                      Vez is a good player, but his tank is not naturally big. He is no ROK. I don't know what they can do, or whether it can be expanded to do exactly what it needs to do to become an full time senior player. bugger.
                      If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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                      • hammo
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                        • Jul 2003
                        • 5554

                        #41
                        Originally posted by Primmy
                        Vez is a good player, but his tank is not naturally big. He is no ROK. I don't know what they can do, or whether it can be expanded to do exactly what it needs to do to become an full time senior player. bugger.
                        Interesting you nominated ROK. His endurance was something he worked on, rather than came entirely naturally (I assume he always had a reasonable tank). See the end of this article to get an idea of how hard he worked. I've read a few similar articles so not sure if this is the one I am thinking of. At this stage ROK was 22 or 23 or still a few years older than what Vesz is now - not that I'm suggested he will ever be an elite runner like ROK.

                        Swan plays on in shadow of grief - realfooty.com.au

                        The Swans match committee believe O'Keefe's form lifted when the two parties agreed his weight had increased too much through his emphasis on gym work.

                        O'Keefe cut down on weights and increased his running.

                        Stuart Maxfield took him aside and suggested the pair work harder together on the track. Now the captain and his charge can be seen at the end of training running extra laps.

                        "I've approached him (Maxfield) before about ways to improve and he suggested I needed to do some more running and speedy work," O'Keefe said.
                        Last edited by hammo; 12 July 2010, 01:02 PM.
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                        • Melbourne_Blood
                          Senior Player
                          • May 2010
                          • 3312

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Go Swannies
                          I think Stuey could stay on the park but he certainly lifted in patches. His 2008 GF "patch" has to be one of the highlights of AFL! Surprisingly, in person he looked younger and fitter than I'd expected. He looks like a slim young man - it gives you an idea of how fit AFL players have to be if he was regarded as a fat man.
                          I was sitting next to where the coaches run out at the Sydney North gamne earlier this year at Etihad, and Stuey Dew wasn't looking slim at all then. He must have ditched the pies since then

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                          • ugg
                            Can you feel it?
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                            • Jan 2003
                            • 15976

                            #43
                            Don't mean to be too unkind to Dew, but his pot belly is definitely visible from a distance.
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                            • Ruda Wakening
                              Survived The Meltdown
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 1519

                              #44
                              Originally posted by Mr Magoo
                              If you have seen him lately playing FF for Balmain its more like a cannon than a gun. A very large round cannon.
                              I saw them play a couple of weeks ago.

                              Their number 13 (Paul Chapman lookalike) kept us entertained for the afternoon.
                              Last edited by Ruda Wakening; 12 July 2010, 01:20 PM.
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                              • aardvark
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                                • Mar 2010
                                • 5685

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Primmy
                                He answered a question on Vez though. Its exactly what I had observed and wondered about.
                                Vez is a good player, but his tank is not naturally big. He is no ROK. I don't know what they can do, or whether it can be expanded to do exactly what it needs to do to become an full time senior player. bugger.
                                So in a team that has an ordinary at best forward line, does he not even have the tank to play as a permanent small forward?

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