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  • Go Swannies
    Veterans List
    • Sep 2003
    • 5697

    #46
    Originally posted by aardvark
    So in a team that has an ordinary at best forward line, does he not even have the tank to play as a permanent small forward?
    I think that's back to what Stuey said - he needs a rest every 10 minutes and that stuffs our structure.

    Of course, some may find it news that we have a forward structure.

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    • Primmy
      Proud Tragic Swan
      • Apr 2008
      • 5970

      #47
      Originally posted by aardvark
      So in a team that has an ordinary at best forward line, does he not even have the tank to play as a permanent small forward?
      Go back to Dew's comment "When a player can only play 10 minutes before he has to come off it's too disruptive of team structure during the game".

      That's the point of it. Vez needs to be able to do more without becoming exhausted; tired is one thing, exhausted is another.
      If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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      • aardvark
        Veterans List
        • Mar 2010
        • 5685

        #48
        Originally posted by Primmy
        Go back to Dew's comment "When a player can only play 10 minutes before he has to come off it's too disruptive of team structure during the game".

        That's the point of it. Vez needs to be able to do more without becoming exhausted; tired is one thing, exhausted is another.
        Oh well maybe another pre season will help...i hope he come good soon.

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        • DeadlyAkkuret
          Veterans List
          • Oct 2006
          • 4547

          #49
          @@@@ we have a habit of drafting kids with some pretty @@@@ issues. Johnston with his foot and Vez gets exhausted every 10 minutes, what's next?

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          • DeadlyAkkuret
            Veterans List
            • Oct 2006
            • 4547

            #50
            Originally posted by aardvark
            With all the info available to recruiters these days you have to ask why did we recruit an unfit player or has he gone downhill since coming to the club? Sad waste of a No 11 pick if he doesn't make it.
            Especially when Rioli was available. I don't want to hate on Vez, he's a talented kid but I want what's best for our future and what if he never gets his fitness up to scratch? It'll be very disappointing.

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            • Triple B
              Formerly 'BBB'
              • Feb 2003
              • 6999

              #51
              Dew also mentioned at the aftermatch that Vespa was a bit crook and contributed to a quietish match yesterday. Possibly him and McV caught the same bug. Here's hoping they have been well and truly kept apart from the group if it's at all contagious.
              Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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              • Lucky Knickers
                Fandom of Fabulousness
                • Oct 2003
                • 4220

                #52
                Originally posted by DeadlyAkkuret
                Especially when Rioli was available. I don't want to hate on Vez, he's a talented kid but I want what's best for our future and what if he never gets his fitness up to scratch? It'll be very disappointing.
                I thought there was talk that Rioli only wanted a Victorian club so he could be close to family. Not sure where that's from. Probably Big Footy so genuine source...

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                • Primmy
                  Proud Tragic Swan
                  • Apr 2008
                  • 5970

                  #53
                  Originally posted by DeadlyAkkuret
                  @@@@ we have a habit of drafting kids with some pretty @@@@ issues. Johnston with his foot and Vez gets exhausted every 10 minutes, what's next?
                  You have to take a chance sometimes; trust me LJ will be worth the wait (all of 18 months up to now by the way).
                  If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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                  • liz
                    Veteran
                    Site Admin
                    • Jan 2003
                    • 16786

                    #54
                    Rioli also turned up to Draft Camp in not very good physical shape (he had been injured for much of his U18 year) and apparently did very poorly indeed on many of the tests.

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                    • Bas
                      Veterans List
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 4457

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Triple B
                      Dew also mentioned at the aftermatch that Vespa was a bit crook and contributed to a quietish match yesterday. Possibly him and McV caught the same bug. Here's hoping they have been well and truly kept apart from the group if it's at all contagious.
                      They got a bug getting drenched on Wednesday signing kiddies autographs. I didn't see Vez but when Jaryd Mc came down our line, the rain was dripping off his face and he was soaked.
                      In memory of my little Staffy - Dicey, 17.06.2005 to 1.12.2011- I'll miss you mate.

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                      • DST
                        The voice of reason!
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 2705

                        #56
                        Hindsight is a great thing, but there were alot of doubters about Rioli before draft day.

                        Our very own Craig Bird took him to the cleaners at the U18 carnival in a match up head to head.

                        Hawthorn took a punt and it paid off, we also took a punt and at this stage it's still undecided but we know Vez can play if he gets his body right.

                        In some ways you have to congratulate the recruiting team as vez was a punt and a different type of player we usually take, much the same way we took Rohan and Jetta last year.

                        DST
                        Last edited by DST; 12 July 2010, 10:03 PM.
                        "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                        • DST
                          The voice of reason!
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 2705

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Go Swannies
                          At least we got a clear answer to the Vez question yesterday. If it's a conspiracy it's widespread. Stuey Dew at the MA Noble aftermatch said that Vez needs to improve his fitness and he knows that. "When a player can only play 10 minutes before he has to come off it's too disruptive of team structure during the game".
                          No different to Moore and it's taken him 5 years to get enough of a tank to play consistent football at senior level and do what is asked of him.

                          Vez can play no doubt about it, now up to him to knuckle down and get that conditioning that will allow him to fully show his talent on the field.

                          Also, it aint always about who gets picked and who doesn't from what they do on a Saturday. Every player now wears a GPS tracking device at training and the coaching staff know exactly who is coasting and who is training like they are playing. The specfic goals set for Vez probably have nothing to do with how he goes on a Saturday. it will be about how he prepares during the week and trains.

                          Get that right and then playing will follow.

                          DST
                          Last edited by DST; 12 July 2010, 10:07 PM.
                          "Looking forward to a rebuilt, new, fast and exciting Swans model in 2010"

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                          • Jewels
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 3258

                            #58
                            Originally posted by DeadlyAkkuret
                            Especially when Rioli was available. I don't want to hate on Vez, he's a talented kid but I want what's best for our future and what if he never gets his fitness up to scratch? It'll be very disappointing.
                            Originally posted by Lucky Knickers
                            I thought there was talk that Rioli only wanted a Victorian club so he could be close to family. Not sure where that's from. Probably Big Footy so genuine source...
                            The Rioli only in Melbourne talk came about from the book "The Draft" which was written about the trials and tribulations of five kids leading up to that seasons draft - Rioli and Vez just happen to have been two of the five.
                            In that book, it goes into details about the problems each kid faced and one of Rioli's biggest problems was dreadful homesickness, eased only by having some family close by in Melbourne.
                            I can only assume that this was taken into account by ALL interstate teams when they were deciding on who to pick.

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                            • stellation
                              scott names the planets
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 9723

                              #59
                              Originally posted by Go Swannies
                              At least we got a clear answer to the Vez question yesterday. If it's a conspiracy it's widespread. Stuey Dew at the MA Noble aftermatch said that Vez needs to improve his fitness and he knows that. "When a player can only play 10 minutes before he has to come off it's too disruptive of team structure during the game".
                              Craig Bird, come on down.
                              I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
                              We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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                              • dimelb
                                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                                • Jun 2003
                                • 6889

                                #60
                                Originally posted by stellation
                                Craig Bird, come on down.
                                I think the problem these days is his foot, not his tank. Not to mention being played out of position.
                                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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