Roos and the Youngsters

[Hartijon]

With the contiued selection of hard-at-it but 'dumb' footballers like Richards, Bevan and Shaw, if I was Vesprimi or Currie I would be very tempted to see what other opportunities are available. Because there does not appear to be may opportunities here.

This is the most serious aspect about Roosey's rant. These modern young men from the "me" generation,used to pushing buttons and getting instant response,need to be handled differently to the men Roosey is used to mixing with in the past. Their oral listening skills are often negligable,they learn by "doing" .I fear we may lose them unless their effort gets gratified by selection. Immature? yes of course they are..that goes with the territory. Read some psychological studies on modern day young men !Cut them some slack. 26 is the new 21!

[wolftone57]

The fact is Roos has lost the plot & if he thinks Richards, Shaw, LRT (injured as he is), Bevo, Mattner, Kennelly, Jude etc are going to win another premiership he is off his rocker. Too many of our senior players make basic mistakes & panic under pressure ie; the whole back line against Melb. for @@@@@@s sake anyone even an amateur from Pennant Hills would preferable to the same old bull we have to put up with, wield the axe otherwise the senior players will think they are assured of a place no matter how they play. What the @@@@@@ gives Ries Shaw the rightr to expect a game after his abysmal display last week. Our senior players have been crap & that includes O'Keefe (I have always been a fan), excluding Goodes & Richards (tries hard just not enough talent) where did the others go?

[SCGonasunnyday]

Some very astute comments by Hammo and Hartijon.

As Hammo posted - it is frustrating that our Fwd50 pressure is so poor.

And Hartijon makes a good point about many 20 year olds - not every 20 year old player is a Trent Cotchin or Dan Hannebery in terms of discipline.

I'm so very sad about this whole situation, especially since it seems to relate to Veszpremi, a player who was so exciting (remember 4 goals against Brisbane from all angles where he even got 2 Brownlow votes) in the first year. I wonder if a different coach with a different approach would be able to help him get the best out of himself. Is there a one size approach fits all mentality at Swans....

[wolftone57]

By the way I have to rely on others for my info as I am located in Coffs Harbour where the Coffs Swans are just hanging in the 4. Not that it is any great compliment as there are only 6 teams & they only have 1 win more than the bottom 2. Mind u if u follow the Saints (not that any of us do Gods forbid) Sawtell Saints r top orange, black & white great colours. So @@@@ of a year all round really. Its a long way to the top if you want to rock n roll & a coach of mine once said if u want to get to the top u have to sweat blood!!! He was a Port Adelaide SA player who coached a premiership at every club he coached, 5 at one. He also said the coach engenders the attitude of the football club & it is up to him/her to put the attitudes in place. He put slogans on the wall & told every player to memorise them & if u couldn't u didn't get a game, everyone @@@@@@ing memorised them & we won the premierships of 3 divisions. He didn't expect the young players (or any player for that matter) to develop their own ethos, he focused the ethos & let the players think they did it.

[bodgie]

Some of the senior players weren't playing well in the ressies either when they were given the recall. It must be hard to play at top level every week in a sub-standard league to be ready on demand. They need to be given a chance. Vez is a classic example of a player dumped when others are indulged and played on one leg. Poor player management.

[wolftone57]

Some of the senior players weren't playing well in the ressies either when they were given the recall. It must be hard to play at top level every week in a sub-standard league to be ready on demand. They need to be given a chance. Vez is a classic example of a player dumped when others are indulged and played on one leg. Poor player management.

I agree & some of the buggers need to find a new club at the end of the season. If Roos wants to develop a side as he perports to do why play so many hasbeens like Teddy? I like Teddy but he is not quite up to it & never has been but he tries hard. We don't need try hard we need development of a footy team for the future & it ain't happening. piss off Roosie go to the States early we need a developing unit now. RESIGN YOUR TIME IS PAST & YOU CAN"T HACK THE NEW GAME!!!!!!!!!!

[msb]

I agree & some of the buggers need to find a new club at the end of the season. If Roos wants to develop a side as he perports to do why play so many hasbeens like Teddy? I like Teddy but he is not quite up to it & never has been but he tries hard. We don't need try hard we need development of a footy team for the future & it ain't happening. piss off Roosie go to the States early we need a developing unit now. RESIGN YOUR TIME IS PAST & YOU CAN"T HACK THE NEW GAME!!!!!!!!!!

A bit extravegant! You'll get your wish in four games time and thats what it will be cause we wont make the 8.

[ShockOfHair]

I don't mean to be disrespectful to Paul as the guy is a legend but blaming the reserve players for not doing what they are told and giving that as a reason for non selection is pathetic. Stop trying to regiment brash young men who CAN play into a boring stereotype mould that is now outdated and surpassed by other teams.Just give them a game for F@#$sake! Obviously they will learn far more effectively by playing because the coaches havent been able to get them to learn all season.

I would have thought that being able to follow the team plan was a fairly important part of playing a team sport.

It's not new. Lewis Johnston is on the record a couple of months ago saying precisely the same thing.

[Ratna]

Take one step back and look at the situation. Yes we are trying to implement a disciplined but attacking game plan. Do you not think that Geelong, Collingwood, Bulldogs, Saints, Hawks play a disciplined game. There has been an effort to introduce a more attacking and running game plan this year that has been negated by injury.

Introducing young players on mass when they don't deserve their opportunity is simply a recipe for disaster. It's easy to blame the coach and staff, but if the players don't warrant selection should it be automatic because the ones aren't winning or in top form.

Also how many new players can a team already devoid of KPP experience (due to injury) sustain. To throw heaps of kids to the slaughter to lose confidence will not do any long term prospects any good.

I as much as anyone hope that we have talent coming through and hope they get their opportunity soon. I also hope that they are encouraged to play an attacking but disciplined style of football when they get there (As much as it pains me I love the mix of discipline and flair Collingwood are playing with at the moment), but they need to be ready and part of that is to follow a game plan no matter what generation they are from.

While there are probably times in the season that more youth could have been included IMO Paul Roos is a champion of the club and someone who has the best interest of the club at heart. If he says that young players would have been given a chance if they could follow orders to show they deserve it that's good enough for me. Remember the way he was able to play with discipline and flair and I'm sure that's what he wants to impart on the next generation. I hope in two years time this thread is forgotten because the players we are now talking about are doing the club proud and playing the way Horse wants them to.

In the Roos era the bloods culture was revived, it was good in good times and if we can be a little patient they aren't far away again.

[Damien]

I actually can see his point. I mean, aren't we all frustrated with some of the players at present? And am I frustrated with some of the ressies players wondering why they aren't belting down the door? yes...... I may be the one out here, and I don't care, but I am with Roos.

You have to be "belting the door down" to replace a non performing senior player after two thrashings? I wish he would just say, 'I'm backing this team to find form' His "eye to the future" was a load of crap the other week, if he had an eye to the future, he would tell a few kids, "here you go, get out there and do your thing" not replace one kid with another and leave it at that.

[wolftone57]

A bit extravegant! You'll get your wish in four games time and thats what it will be cause we wont make the 8.

Too many times he has whinged this season. He is a senior coach & shouldn't whinge. Get on with the job he is paid a lot of money to do!!! i think Roos has been the best of coaches & I also have the greatest respect for paul Roos the player (what a star) but this behavior baffles me! Last year it was the senior players he had a dig at & they deserved it but the young guys have to be nurtured by the likes of Roos & the senior unit as well as the many sub coaches. Young players are empty bottles who need to be filled with the right ingredients. All he has done is alienate the poor young buggers & confused them as to what they need tyo do to get into his side. I would be looking for a new place next year if I were Pat Vespremi or Daniel Currie (probably half the reserves) but those in particular. Ross is not leaving a good legacy & that is a pity as he has been a great coach & a super player

[Peace]

Take one step back and look at the situation. Yes we are trying to implement a disciplined but attacking game plan. Do you not think that Geelong, Collingwood, Bulldogs, Saints, Hawks play a disciplined game. There has been an effort to introduce a more attacking and running game plan this year that has been negated by injury.

Introducing young players on mass when they don't deserve their opportunity is simply a recipe for disaster. It's easy to blame the coach and staff, but if the players don't warrant selection should it be automatic because the ones aren't winning or in top form.

Also how many new players can a team already devoid of KPP experience (due to injury) sustain. To throw heaps of kids to the slaughter to lose confidence will not do any long term prospects any good.

I as much as anyone hope that we have talent coming through and hope they get their opportunity soon. I also hope that they are encouraged to play an attacking but disciplined style of football when they get there (As much as it pains me I love the mix of discipline and flair Collingwood are playing with at the moment), but they need to be ready and part of that is to follow a game plan no matter what generation they are from.

While there are probably times in the season that more youth could have been included IMO Paul Roos is a champion of the club and someone who has the best interest of the club at heart. If he says that young players would have been given a chance if they could follow orders to show they deserve it that's good enough for me. Remember the way he was able to play with discipline and flair and I'm sure that's what he wants to impart on the next generation. I hope in two years time this thread is forgotten because the players we are now talking about are doing the club proud and playing the way Horse wants them to.

In the Roos era the bloods culture was revived, it was good in good times and if we can be a little patient they aren't far away again.

Finally! some rationality!

I can't beleive how many people on here are completely blinded by 2 hours of game time a week.... does anyone have a clue here what it takes to get a game in the AFL?? No one should EVER get a game who doesn't deserve it by not putting in 110% 7days a week, regardless if some senior players are playing poorly.... i guarantee Mcveigh, ROK and Shaw push themselves twice as hard in training than the kids who Roos is obviously talking about.

If you select a team by who ISN'T playing well in the firsts, then you are never going to have a winning team by selecting players who aren't doing what is asked of them in the seconds. This is the culture that Roos has instilled in the club and I for one am glad that he has come out and lit the flame under these lazy players because they could obviously be getting a game if they were putting their heart and mind into it.

[Peace]

p.s. go support another team if you think Roos shouldn't finish out the season.... I really hope some of the comments made in this thread about Paul Roos were "in the heat of the moment" the man is a legend and absolutley loves our club and its players.

[Hartijon]

I would have thought that being able to follow the team plan was a fairly important part of playing a team sport.

It's not new. Lewis Johnston is on the record a couple of months ago saying precisely the same thing.

Its about teaching them the game plan,teaching them to follow it (even though flawed and negated by every other team!)
They have done enough to warrant selection and will learn through experience on the field.Thats what I am saying.

[Peace]

Its about teaching them the game plan,teaching them to follow it (even though flawed and negated by every other team!)
They have done enough to warrant selection and will learn through experience on the field.Thats what I am saying.

Do you own the book "what it takes to warrant selection"? If so, can I borrow it!?