Roos and the Youngsters

[wolftone57]

Finally! some rationality!

I can't beleive how many people on here are completely blinded by 2 hours of game time a week.... does anyone have a clue here what it takes to get a game in the AFL?? No one should EVER get a game who doesn't deserve it by not putting in 110% 7days a week, regardless if some senior players are playing poorly.... i guarantee Mcveigh, ROK and Shaw push themselves twice as hard in training than the kids who Roos is obviously talking about.




If you select a team by who ISN'T playing well in the firsts, then you are never going to have a winning team by selecting players who aren't doing what is asked of them in the seconds. This is the culture that Roos has instilled in the club and I for one am glad that he has come out and lit the flame under these lazy players because they could obviously be getting a game if they were putting their heart and mind into it.

The way some of the senior players are playing u wouldn't think they were putting in 100% (there is only 100) in training. It is a pity that Roosy has found a necessity to knock the young blokes instead of nurturing them. Look! you make assumptions about how much effort these blokes put in but if the coach bags the young fellas it is not going to make them try harder it is only going to alienate them. Please look at it this way these young fellas are just learning the AFL caper & need lots of help to develop into top players for our club. please don't denigrate them in the same way the coach has decided to do! Paul is justifying his lack of success this year by blaming the people who have the least say in a football club, the rookie player. So sad

[Damien]

Finally! some rationality!

I can't beleive how many people on here are completely blinded by 2 hours of game time a week.... does anyone have a clue here what it takes to get a game in the AFL?? No one should EVER get a game who doesn't deserve it by not putting in 110% 7days a week, regardless if some senior players are playing poorly.... i guarantee Mcveigh, ROK and Shaw push themselves twice as hard in training than the kids who Roos is obviously talking about.

If you select a team by who ISN'T playing well in the firsts, then you are never going to have a winning team by selecting players who aren't doing what is asked of them in the seconds. This is the culture that Roos has instilled in the club and I for one am glad that he has come out and lit the flame under these lazy players because they could obviously be getting a game if they were putting their heart and mind into it.

Are you going to win by maintaining selection of underperforming players because reserves players aren't playing to instruction? I think this is a legitimate discussion and am really over the Roos lovefest everytime he is criticised. We ALLL love what he has done for our club, it has nothing to do with how his last year is going.

[Peace]

The way some of the senior players are playing u wouldn't think they were putting in 100% (there is only 100) in training. It is a pity that Roosy has found a necessity to knock the young blokes instead of nurturing them. Look! you make assumptions about how much effort these blokes put in but if the coach bags the young fellas it is not going to make them try harder it is only going to alienate them. Please look at it this way these young fellas are just learning the AFL caper & need lots of help to develop into top players for our club. please don't denigrate them in the same way the coach has decided to do! Paul is justifying his lack of success this year by blaming the people who have the least say in a football club, the rookie player. So sad

Thanks for the math tip....

What are these kids in the reserves??? delicate flowers? if they can't handle honest critisism from their coach then i dont want them in the team, they can go play in a country league somewhere.

You assume so much yet seem to think you know what happens inside the club or Roos hasn't a clue what he is talking about. Roos is being honest, he isn't calling anyone names, he is just letting some young kids know that this is the AFL and they need to wake up to themselves and commit to the club and sport.

The kids are getting help every single day but there is only so much instruction and advice you can give, the rest it up to them and if they aren't committing 110% then a man like Roos who is a very selfless and disciplined will be able to see this.

[Peace]

Are you going to win by maintaining selection of underperforming players because reserves players aren't playing to instruction? I think this is a legitimate discussion and am really over the Roos lovefest everytime he is criticised. We ALLL love what he has done for our club, it has nothing to do with how his last year is going.

So you are saying that you would play some young kid who hasn't played or has played a handful of games, who isn't doing what you ask of them, who possibly isn't really pushing themselves in training and maybe isn't doing what is asked of them on the field.

over

A mature player who puts his all into training all day every day, follows their coaches instructions and really tries their best but is going through a little form slump?

You don't replace a player who tries hard but is having a few off weeks, with some kid who isn't doing as they are told.... Roos IS developing and teaching the younger kids by doing this, AFL isn't a walk in the park.... if things aren't going your way then you aren't doing the right things and if you can't turn it around and apply some discipline to your life on and off the field then you will be shown the door.

We aren't trying to develop show pony's who kick 5 goals in the reserves, they obviously have to do A LOT more than that to get a game.

This is how i see the game and our coach.

[Wazza]

Kirk, McViegh and Shaw terrible last three games but thats ok they have earned the right...... how about some encouragement for the young guys by dropping players that are not performing? If I was a Swans reserve player named in best players over last 2 games I would be wondering what I had to do to get a game because the message from Roos is clear, if your a senior favourite i'll leave you in no matter how bad you play.

Sounds like a cop out from Roos deflecting criticism of his team selection policy.

Thanks for the memories Roosy but Im glad its nearly over because its time for a change.

Cheers

Waz

[Wazza]

Thanks for the math tip....

What are these kids in the reserves??? delicate flowers? if they can't handle honest critisism from their coach then i dont want them in the team, they can go play in a country league somewhere.

You assume so much yet seem to think you know what happens inside the club or Roos hasn't a clue what he is talking about. Roos is being honest, he isn't calling anyone names, he is just letting some young kids know that this is the AFL and they need to wake up to themselves and commit to the club and sport.

The kids are getting help every single day but there is only so much instruction and advice you can give, the rest it up to them and if they aren't committing 110% then a man like Roos who is a very selfless and disciplined will be able to see this.

If Roos is to critise why not come out and put it on Kirk McVeigh etc and the other senior players who are not performing and tell them there place in the team is on the line??

I dont understand

Cheers

waz

[Nico]

By the way I have to rely on others for my info as I am located in Coffs Harbour where the Coffs Swans are just hanging in the 4. Not that it is any great compliment as there are only 6 teams & they only have 1 win more than the bottom 2. Mind u if u follow the Saints (not that any of us do Gods forbid) Sawtell Saints r top orange, black & white great colours. So @@@@ of a year all round really. Its a long way to the top if you want to rock n roll & a coach of mine once said if u want to get to the top u have to sweat blood!!! He was a Port Adelaide SA player who coached a premiership at every club he coached, 5 at one. He also said the coach engenders the attitude of the football club & it is up to him/her to put the attitudes in place. He put slogans on the wall & told every player to memorise them & if u couldn't u didn't get a game, everyone @@@@@@ing memorised them & we won the premierships of 3 divisions. He didn't expect the young players (or any player for that matter) to develop their own ethos, he focused the ethos & let the players think they did it.

Don't happen to know Brett Upfield do you? Umpired up until last year. The old fart who didn't take any crap from players.

[Ratna]

I'm pretty sure the article was about the fact that even though the firsts aren't performing there is no-one in the twos doing the necessary things to replace them. So in this way without naming names in the 1s or 2s he is saying they are elements of both that are not performing up to expectations. As for the effect on those up and coming, if they can't handle the truth of being told they need to reach a certain level and adhere to certain practices to wear the jumper they don't fit the bloods ethos for mine.

[Peace]

He has come out and said: A certain few players in the reserves WOULD be getting a game if it weren't for their lack of ability to follow instructions and commit themselves a little more. That's how I see it.

Kirk could be driving a scooter out there on the field, as long as he has his voice he is one of the most valuable players in our team.

McVeigh.... yes i reckon he could dropped for a week or two but it seems like he is the most punctual, committed and disciplined player in the team so Roos is probably just hoping he will snap out of this average form he is in.

ROK - same as mcveigh except he is an elite player who just needs to wake up, reserves wont help.


Roos is leaving at the end of the year, so far he has always been the "nice guy" out of all the AFL coaches but I have a sneaking suspicion that he could be preparing the players for what Horse may be like. It's a pretty big assumption but we don't have a clue what Longmire will be like once he puts on the coaches hat.

[Go Swannies]

AFL Teams tonight, Tony Shaw announced that Rhyce Shaw, Jack and one other , Grundy I think, have just signed for the next few years. I guess that shows how Horse regards Shaw.

[ugg]

Audio for the full press conference is here

http://blogs.abc.net.au/files/afl-swans-roos-1.mp3

[Nico]

Against Carlton Shaw played a top game. The next 2 weeks he spent 5 minutes up forward. I think his form over the last 2 weeks is more about how he has been used. I reckon he should be in our midfield and let loose to use his pace.

On McVeigh and ROK; McVeigh finished the Carlton game with a calf injury and ROK appears to be carrying a groin injury since that game. (victims of the ground). My problem with their form is that perhaps they shouldn't be out there. Over the past few years we appear to have been playing injuured players regularly when maybe we should have been resting them. I am not convinced our injury management has been that flash over the past few years.

[Triple B]

Lol..as soon as I read this on AFL.com I knew it would be anarchy on RWO.

I'm with the view of Peace, Primmy and a few others.

My read is that Roos has had a gutful of the questions, the emails, the constant 'Why isn't X getting a game' and wants to set the record straight before he finishes.

He's put his cards on the table about the guys who appear to be worthy of a game but aren't getting the nod, which really are only Vespa, LJ and MOD (before he was injured). They are not following instructions obviously. They have been asked to do x and y, but are doing x and z.

Unless we know what x and y are, I guess you either have to take Roos on face value or elect not to.

I'll elect to trust him.

[cheersquadsteve]

I really think the problem with the reserves is that we are playing half a team in a sub standard competition, if the boys were playing the the VFL as a stand alone club at least the balance of senior listed players would be getting a game. And dont give me the cost issue as an excuse for not playing in the VFL, im sure the club could get a sponsorship arangement with jetstar, virginblue et all.
On the selection issue, look at collingwood, malthouse has stated many times that if it was a matter or selection between an older player or a young draftee he would play the draftee, they have been drafted to play AFL football, ok still have the player earn their place in the side but you have to dangle some sort of carrot in front of them as well. We have all seen what Henry Playfair could do and to be brutally frank probably didnt deserve to be on the list at all, senior rookie spot or not, why not play Lewis Johnson, Dan Currie, Pat Vez instead. Ted Richard tries and tries his heart out for the team but he is now past it lets see what Sam Reid can do.
Roos will go down in this clubs history as an absolute legend and the "Bloods" will always be part of our culture but much like North disposed of the Shinboner Spirt somewhat maybe its time we dropped the Bloods tag and let the kids find their own ethos and mantra, let kirk barry crouch and all the other impart the importance of the bloods to them but let the kids find their own feet

[liz]

It does come across as a bit of a dummy spit by Roos. And if he is referring to their onfield performances, just a tad unfair. True, the team did have a shocker a couple of weeks ago in Canberra (which I saw). They have had one other shocker this season (also in Canberra, which I didn't see). Apart from those two games, they have been performing quite creditably as a team.

As far as individuals are concerned, it isn't too hard to work out that Johnston and Veszpremi are two of the prime targets of those comments. Both played well (Johnston very well) last weekend. Both worked their butts off, were team orientated, and were effective with their use of the ball. Johnston, in particularly, worked significantly harder than I have ever seen White work at reserves level. In most games I have seen of the reserves this year, Johnston has worked his butt off. I think this has been acknowledged in many of the official Swans reports on those reserves games, albeit sometimes tempered by comments that he still needs to learn to train as hard as he plays on the field.

I understand that the senior coaches want to see the younger players do it consistently and there is little doubt that Johnston, in particular, put himself back a bit with that recent Canberra game. But only last week we read something on the Swans website that he was very close to senior selection, which suggested that game had been, at least to some extent, forgiven.

Would it not have been better to read about these so-called underperformers that "they did really well last week. Now we want to see them back that up for the next week or two before we bring them into the senior team"?

Of course, the issues may surround their training habits rather than merely their onfield performances. And none of us has even a tiny fraction of the information the coaches have regarding how these players train. But again, rather than comments like "the reserves are struggling a bit" (which is patently untrue if you look at the ladder and bear in mind the number of injuries to the squad), how about an observation that some of the players pressing for selection are doing well in their reserves games, but need to put in a more consistent effort on the training track? At least that would provide the supporters (at whom the recent articles are presumably aimed) with some informed reasons about why the likes of Johnston and Vez aren't getting a look-in when the senior team (and the half-forward line in particular) has been so dysfunctional for the last couple of weeks.