Roos and the Youngsters

[Lucky Knickers]

....... on the coaches and their ability to communicate to modern young men.

Absolutely 100% correct.
However, it would appear limited to some modern young men (although I don't think modern young men differ from olden day young men or just generally men).
How is that Hanners, Bird, Smith, Reid, Jetta, Heath, TDL, Rohan all seem to be communicated to ok?
Even players like Reg, Goodes, Kirk, , LRT, McVeigh, ROK, B1 and B2 were all modern young men a few years ago and Roos turned their games around pretty comprehensively.
Sometimes the fit between player and club isn't right. It's a reflection of life.
I also don't think the comments were directed at the players, but rather at the fans. I doubt any of this will be news to the players.
Some of them will be challenged by this and turn it around. Others will use it to justify their internal positions and will leave.

[Far Reach]

Quite a few youngsters have had a go in the team and seniors have been dropped over the last few years (to be fair to the coaches) and I get it that supporters don't know th full story with players. But nothing wrong with speculating here...

It's amusing that 'youngsters' have to earn a place in the senior side - BOG in reserves won't do either. And if they do get the chance most won't get more than a game or two unless they stand out - last in first out - what happed to the criteria of 'doing what they are asked to do' being applied at the top level and as the standard for all players regardless of experience? Or are all senior players at the standard now so coaches accept this and the fact we are a mediocre team with no options?

Roos' comments appear to draw a long bow with the intention to justify underperforming seniors who no longer warrant a place - it's a common among sport selectors that don't wish to have earlier decisions on players proved incorrect.

'Oldies' don't have to earn a place in seniors, they keep it by default due to the poor bunch of youngsters.

Giving a few of the miscreants a decent opportunity at the senior level might be the key to making them the player the club desires. And maybe the key to improving the team.

[Mr Magoo]

I think a lot of people are missing the point. As a coach if you have two players :
1. one is older more experienced and game harderned and when you tell them to do something on the field they generally do it although not as well as you would like. They are playing firsts
2. The second is younger , less experienced but undoutably more talented and in reserves. BUT you tell him for example that when he plays on the ball in reserves , he should for look for a player running past or on the fringe of the pack , he shouldnt just kick it out of the pack or run it out himself (as you know when he plays in the much higher standard of the firsts he wont get away with that). Said player is very talented so when he gets on the field in reserves he gets 35 possessions with nearly all coming from getting first hands and running out of the pack or kicking down field without looking for support and he looks brilliant and is judges by third parties as being one of the best on ground.

Do you reward the second player who just ignored everything you asked of them or do you stick with the experienced guy who most of the time does as he is asked (or even doesnt sometimes) . How will that player , playing firsts be any better for playing firsts oither than knowing that even if he ignores team instructions it doesnt matter as long as he looks good.

[ShockOfHair]

It's amusing that 'youngsters' have to earn a place in the senior side - BOG in reserves won't do either. And if they do get the chance most won't get more than a game or two unless they stand out - last in first out - what happed to the criteria of 'doing what they are asked to do' being applied at the top level and as the standard for all players regardless of experience? Or are all senior players at the standard now so coaches accept this and the fact we are a mediocre team with no options?

Roos' comments appear to draw a long bow with the intention to justify underperforming seniors who no longer warrant a place - it's a common among sport selectors that don't wish to have earlier decisions on players proved incorrect.

Excuse me, that was precisely Roos' point. He's got players in the A grade who he wants to get rid of, but young players aren't doing what they're supposed to do. No wonder he's frustrated.

''We've probably got a couple of guys in the senior team that shouldn't be playing [at that level] but certainly if you're a young player you're going to have earn a spot in this team while I'm still coaching.''

[hammo]

There is an impression that there are double standards at play which is what frustrates me the most. We'll never get the full picture because none of us know the inner workings of the club and Veszpremi, MOD or Johnston won't get a right of reply. But if there's a hint of double standard then players deemed to be on the outside will get dispirited.

Using Jetta as an example, I'd like to know what he's done to get such an easy run in his first year. Sure he's a flashy player but anyone can see he's not contributing that much and I doubt very much that his instruction is to jog around the ground, avoid contests and not apply defensive pressure. In the one reserves game I saw him play I didn't notice him do anything different to other reserves players. Yet Roos has said many times that because he and TDL spent time in the WAFL they were more advanced than other draftees (direct contradiction to what he said yesterday).

[royboy42]

If players refuse to follow coach's directions and still expect to get selected in the firsts, they are being proved as immature and unwise. We saw Benny Matthews for years doing what the coaches demanded, even if RWOers had difficulty in working out exactly what it was..he maintained his place in the team consistently almost until the end.
As in any job, you do what is expected of you..if , for some reason you do not, expect criticism..expect not to be selected to the top team. Those who follow direction will always be the first picked.
I cannot see any coach having anyone in their firsts that they do not want there. a more loyal, more amenable to team direction player would always be selected first.
Having said that, the coach is always subject to criticism, both informed and uninformed. I expect it is water off a duck's back..Roos has the form on the board..he knows more about the who;e caper than any of us.

[giant]

Just saw the TV footage of the Roos' presser - all said with a wink and a nod, tho I don't doubt he's serious.

So, plenty of Roos bagging here - what changes should he have made? Who goes out? And more importantly, who should come in to replace those outs?

[aardvark]

Just saw the TV footage of the Roos' presser - all said with a wink and a nod, tho I don't doubt he's serious.

So, plenty of Roos bagging here - what changes should he have made? Who goes out? And more importantly, who should come in to replace those outs?

Outs.. ROK McVeigh White Shaw
Ins... Skilton Kelly Lockett and bring back the TILT

[giant]

Outs.. ROK McVeigh White Shaw
Ins... Skilton Kelly Lockett and bring back the TILT

Great Ins. Not so sure on the Outs.

[Chilcott]

Just read the article and believe it is 'cop out' from Roos.

As a leader of men, you need to manage people in different ways to get the best out of them. Seems to me that Paul doesn't think this way and it's a case of 'do it my way or it's the highway"

Interesting point that he makes about not giving games to players for the sake of it. I believe he is making a good fist of contradicting himself by continually selecting players, who are ordinary at best.

We may lose a few of these young blokes because of it.

Hope John Longmire is a little more adaptable.

[liz]

Just saw the TV footage of the Roos' presser - all said with a wink and a nod, tho I don't doubt he's serious.

So, plenty of Roos bagging here - what changes should he have made? Who goes out? And more importantly, who should come in to replace those outs?

He could have brought Gordon in. He has explicitly exempted Gordon from his criticisms, by highlighting that he is a player who does work hard and play to instruction. Gordon has been promoted to the senior list, which they wouldn't do if they thought he wasn't ready for senior footy. And yet the coaches still haven't had the courage to actually name him in the team, despite bemoaning the fact that a handful of senior encumbants deserve to get dropped.

[Captain]

He could have brought Gordon in. He has explicitly exempted Gordon from his criticisms, by highlighting that he is a player who does work hard and play to instruction. Gordon has been promoted to the senior list, which they wouldn't do if they thought he wasn't ready for senior footy. And yet the coaches still haven't had the courage to actually name him in the team, despite bemoaning the fact that a handful of senior encumbants deserve to get dropped.

Good point. However there may well be a late change and Gordon will come in.

[Hartijon]

Last post I mentioned the positives of Roosey's statement.We now know from the top why some young guns are not picked.The negatives of the statement outweigh the positives.Now players know.
1. If you are in the firsts and struggling, you are only there because there is nobody to replace you with
2. If you are in the reserves you won't get a game in the firsts even if you are BOG and kick 4 or 5 a week unless you do what the Gods(oops i mean coaches) demand
3. If you are a fan you are not a happy camper..the coach ,the team ,the spirit,not the same or as good as it used to be.
4.What started out as a great year has ground to a halt.Revival needed!

[giant]

He could have brought Gordon in. He has explicitly exempted Gordon from his criticisms, by highlighting that he is a player who does work hard and play to instruction. Gordon has been promoted to the senior list, which they wouldn't do if they thought he wasn't ready for senior footy. And yet the coaches still haven't had the courage to actually name him in the team, despite bemoaning the fact that a handful of senior encumbants deserve to get dropped.

Don't know Gordon's work Liz - where would he play and whom would he replace?

[Go Swannies]

Can someone tell me the geographical imperative that the RWO posters who are most strident in their criticism of the team and Roos are those outside the Sydney-Melbourne corridor? I've been noticing it for a few days. Is it that distance gives more objectivity or is it that it makes people more alienated?