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  • msb
    On the Rookie List
    • Mar 2006
    • 827

    #16
    Originally posted by Plugger46
    Couldn't agree more. If it wasn't our team that lost to them, I doubt people would be so strong on it.

    I'm no expert on drugs but if he didn't take them on gameday or the day before a game (as he said last night), then surely he wasn't affected by drugs during any game?
    Im no expert either but I believe it remains in your system for quite a while.

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    • AnnieH
      RWOs Black Sheep
      • Aug 2006
      • 11332

      #17
      Originally posted by Plugger46
      Couldn't agree more. If it wasn't our team that lost to them, I doubt people would be so strong on it.

      I'm no expert on drugs but if he didn't take them on gameday or the day before a game (as he said last night), then surely he wasn't affected by drugs during any game?

      But it WAS our team that lost - that's why it's such a kick in the guts.
      It stays in your system for longer than a few hours.

      It's his smugness that @@@@s me the most.

      Dirt.
      Wait till the attention is off him.
      Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
      Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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      • Plugger46
        Senior Player
        • Apr 2003
        • 3674

        #18
        Originally posted by AnnieH
        But it WAS our team that lost - that's why it's such a kick in the guts.
        It stays in your system for longer than a few hours.

        It's his smugness that @@@@s me the most.

        Dirt.
        Wait till the attention is off him.
        That's exactly my point, everyone is somewhat blinkered because it was us that lost to them.

        I don't think anyone can definitively say that Cousins being on drugs had a positive impact on his own form or his team's.
        Last edited by Plugger46; 26 August 2010, 10:57 AM.
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        • AnnieH
          RWOs Black Sheep
          • Aug 2006
          • 11332

          #19
          Originally posted by Plugger46
          That's exactly my point, everyone is somewhat blinkered because it was us that lost to them.

          I don't think anyone can definitively say that Cousins being on drugs had a positive impact on his own form or his team's.
          We can speculate.
          It's more fun.
          Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
          Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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          • AnnieH
            RWOs Black Sheep
            • Aug 2006
            • 11332

            #20
            The way he tells it, Ben Cousins became a drug addict because he worked hard. Drugs were his reward for training harder and longer than anyone else, for being more devoted than anyone else to the game, for putting in and delivering. Some people go shopping; Ben went to score.

            That may well be true as it goes, but it doesn't go very deep. With the amount of therapy Cousins has been through, at some stage he must have plumbed whatever darkness underpins his addictive personality ? but if so, he's not sharing.
            Silent on the why behind his downfall

            Interesting article.

            Ben Cousins is an impressive physical presence on screen ? a great-looking guy with a sharp suit and a twinkle in his eye ? but there is about the first half of this exercise the distinct whiff of PR. It's less a confessional than a job application, a repositioning of Brand Cousins in the public eye as being worthy of a second (or is that third? or fourth?) chance.
            Put that in your ice pipe and smoke it Benny.
            Last edited by AnnieH; 26 August 2010, 12:12 PM.
            Wild speculation, unsubstantiated rumours, silly jokes and opposition delight in another's failures is what makes an internet forum fun.
            Blessed are the cracked for they are the ones who let in the light.

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            • CureTheSane
              Carpe Noctem
              • Jan 2003
              • 5032

              #21
              Originally posted by Frog
              Thoughts? Just a couple.

              Ben, I don't care, you did it to yourself, deal with it.

              He's been doing it since his late teens - It makes a complete and total mockery of that thing called "AFL Drug Policy" and "AFL Drug Testing". It is piss-weak and non-existing. The AFL should hang its head in shame after this!!
              The AFL Drug Policy and AFL Drug Testing were created to detect performance enhancing drugs.
              I have said before, and still maintain, that the AFL does not have the right to assume the role of police in detecting illegal drugs.
              What are they? some kind of watch dog?
              Shouldn't they be reporting every single instance of illegal drugs detected to teh police?
              What does it say to the kids when players get three strikes?

              These are the problems when they step into an area in which they have no place.

              Aside from all of that, I'm not surprised taht many here are thinking about this in the tunnel vision of football.
              To me it's got nothing to do with who his employer was at teh time.
              It is about someone in the public eye who had a drug addiction.
              It's the story of his recent life and he happened to play football.
              The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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              • cruiser
                What the frack!
                • Jul 2004
                • 6114

                #22
                Originally posted by Bleed Red Blood
                - Just fyi I haven't seen the program yet.

                If you think the Eagles are the only club who have or would react the way they did you're more than likely wrong.

                Their Premiership is NOT 'tainted'. None of this is performance enhancing. Long live Cuz.
                I can assure you, crystal meth is most definately performance enhancing.
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                • Bleed Red Blood
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 2057

                  #23
                  Originally posted by cruiser
                  I can assure you, crystal meth is most definately performance enhancing.
                  I don't think you can.

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                  • Kirkari
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 1036

                    #24
                    Originally posted by cruiser
                    I can assure you, crystal meth is most definately performance enhancing.
                    This could be a bit of photoshopping or for real, but it's diverting anyway...



                    Doesn't look too performance enhancing to me.
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                    • Bleed Red Blood
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 2057

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Kirkari
                      This could be a bit of photoshopping or for real, but it's diverting anyway...



                      Doesn't look too performance enhancing to me.
                      That's sooo disturbing.

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                      • Bas
                        Veterans List
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 4457

                        #26
                        I enjoyed it last night and look forward to tonight. Ice is a horrific drug and actually makes holes in your brain.

                        The running from the booze bus formed a funny mental picture for me. Imagine the police trying to catch him on foot.

                        His Dad is a champion and if not for the love of his family, I don't think he would have made it through.

                        Ben might not have taken drugs whilst playing but I'm not so sure about some of his team mates.l
                        In memory of my little Staffy - Dicey, 17.06.2005 to 1.12.2011- I'll miss you mate.

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                        • Mike_B
                          Peyow Peyow
                          • Jan 2003
                          • 6267

                          #27
                          On SEN this morning a fair few comments were made saying it didn't really show alot of his struggles - I think we will see that tonight as he started filming a lot more from early 2008 when he decided a doco might be a good idea. Last night only took us to getting dumped by the AFL - tonight we will see the real struggle to get his life back together...

                          I'm on the Chandwagon!!!

                          If you cannot compete for the premiership, it's better to be young and exciting than middle-aged and dowdy.

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                          • swansrock4eva
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 1352

                            #28
                            Originally posted by Mike_B
                            On SEN this morning a fair few comments were made saying it didn't really show alot of his struggles - I think we will see that tonight as he started filming a lot more from early 2008 when he decided a doco might be a good idea. Last night only took us to getting dumped by the AFL - tonight we will see the real struggle to get his life back together...
                            Also where he gets to the point where he actually recognises that he's an addict - he made the comment several times on last night's show that at various time, even at his first rehab stint, he didn't really believe he was a drug addict. Watching and learning about the process of actually accepting and understanding being an addict will be pretty fascinating...

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                            • Xie Shan
                              Senior Player
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 2929

                              #29
                              Okay, so I watched tonight's instalment (but missed last night's) so thought I'd add my two cents.

                              It's hard to feel sorry for the guy as he made some pretty shocking choices and brought a lot of it on himself but I agree with Bas, the second part really highlighted the sacrifices that his family (especially his dad) made to help him get through and I think that was probably what jolted him into realising, @@@@, I've actually got to change otherwise this could kill me. I still think he's a bit of a tool, but it's still a story worth telling because it shows we are all redeemable. Through all of this he might end up giving something back, not just to footy but to the broader community.

                              I have to say, I was really surprised at the time (and again tonight) that Collingwood didn't pick him up listening to Mick Malthouse say how he thought Ben had all the ingredients to make it back to footy. I suspect if it had have been purely a footballing decision Ben would have been a Magpie, but Eddie and the powers that be thought it was too big a risk, which is fair enough. The Pies (and Saints) had legitimate premiership credentials and they had a heck of a lot more to lose than say, Richmond.

                              Massive respect to Terry Wallace (I never thought I'd say that!) from me for having the courage to pick him up for the RIGHT reasons. If only he had been that passionate about coaching the Tigers for the first four years of his contract...

                              And can we finally stop this nonsense about the 2006 premiership being 'tainted'? It still hurts that we lost by such a small margin, but we lost because we didn't kick straight and didn't go in with the right level of intensity from the opening bounce. End of story. It would have been one of the finest comebacks in grand final history, and we very nearly pulled it off.
                              Last edited by Xie Shan; 26 August 2010, 10:42 PM.

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                              • hot potato
                                Sir Ashmole Gruntbucket
                                • Jun 2007
                                • 1122

                                #30
                                That's a pretty good take on it XS. I'm satisfied with him getting another year out of himself via the heart and soul of The Tiggers.
                                A remarkable career ends this weekend. I hope he can play a role with kids and young players to help make wiser life choices than he did.
                                But I agree with Sheehan a lot more self examination and contrition wouldn't go astray.
                                Hope you find a vocation post football Ben that is good for you and others.

                                hp
                                "He was proud of us when we won and he was still proud of us when we lost' Tami Roos about Paul Sept 06.

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