All Australian List

[The Goodes]

Don't get me wrong...

I'm sure that the majority of these players deserved inclusion.

But NO Sydney Players? We WERE finallists. Melbourne weren't finallists-but two of their players made the list. Was Jamar, in fact, better than Mumford (or do I wear R&W glasses)? Frawley's good too. But he didn't help the Dees stop enough goals getting through to help them make the top 8.

Hannebery was the Rising Star winner. AND he was a player in the Finals. But NO gong!?

Kieran Jack? A nobody?

I get the inclusion of most of the players...but Judd?

I guess I'm missing something? Our boys surely weren't THAT terrible. Judd's past his best these days.

Here's the bonus. This sort of bollocks galvanises the players and maybe helps to give them something to aspire to.

I'm happy to be eating sour grapes.

[Big Al]

All Australian List

That Mumford wasn't there is a disgrace.

[stellation]

Jamar had a pretty good season, he and Sandilands were the only ruckmen that I thought had a valid case for inclusion over Mummy so I'm not too offended by it.

[#73]

The list is a @@@@in joke. O'Brien? Taylor? Please. Mumford, Jack and Goodes should all be there.

[gloveski]

we should have had atleast one Mummy or Grundy for me

[Grady1993]

Jack, Grundy etc weren't even named in the initial squad which is even more of a discrace. I think only Malceski, Goodes and Mumford were in the squad of 40.

[ScottH]

Jack had a slow start to the season, before ramping up.
Malceski started strong and flattened out during the season.
Grundy too started well, but has not been outstanding in the last few months.
Goodes has only been great in through the rosy red and white glasses. Has had a pretty average year in my book.
Mumford, can count himself unlucky, as there are only 2 picked, it is always going to be tough to get a gig.

There are alwasy going to be people left out. Lenny Hayes would be miles ahead of Jack and he missed out.
Big Pav is another that is probably unlucky to be left out.

[Mr Magoo]

In my opinion , Mumford was the only swans individually that you could consider for AA and Jamar smashed him when they met.

Jack only came really good in the latter half of the season and I felt he went missing a little bit in both finals when the game got really tight. Contrast this with Judds efforts in the third quarter against us and in my opinion you see a real AA midfielder. This is the level Jack has to reach, where he takes the game by the scruff of the neck and performs when it really counts and regularly.

Malceski has too many weaknesses for me to be considered AA and Grundy while good was not AA level IMO. There are a lot more better qualified players who missed out than our lot. Even McGlynn, if he had played a longer season had form while he was playing which was closer to AA than most of our other midfielders.

[dimelb]

It would be interesting to pick an AA team from the rejects - including blokes like N Riewoldt (who didn't play enough games), Bradshaw and McGlynn (probably ditto) plus those mentioned above - Hayes, Pavlich etc. Would give the official team a run for their money.

[SydAFLFan]

Did some research on the AA last night whilst watching the coverage that I found interesting.I posted it on twitter but here is a more detailed report,

In last 15 years (1995-2010), the teams that finish top 8 but no AA include 2009 8th Essendon, 2008 Sydney 6th, 2007 Collingwood 6th & Sydney 7th, 2005 Geelong 6th & Melbourne 8th, 2002 Collingwood 4th & Essendon 5th, 2001 Sydney 7th

In 2000 Brisbane finish 6th & Hawthorn 8th, 1999 Port Adelaide 7th, 1997 Geelong 2nd & Brisbane 8th, 1995 Western Buldogs 7th & Brisbane 8th

In in 2006, 2004, 2003, 1998, & 1996 all top 8 teams had at least 1 all australian inclusion.

The teams that missed out on an All-Australian selection but finished in top 8 include 8 Non Victorian teams 9 Victorian. Not good odds for outside Victorian considering there are 10 Victorian teams to 6 non-victorian.

Highest placed in the top 8 non AA was 2nd place Geelong, 4th Collllingwood, 5th Sydnry, 6th Sydney Collingwood Geelong Brisbane, 7th Sydney (Twice) Western Bulldogs Port Adelaide, 8th Essendon Melbourne Hawthorn Brisbane (Twice)

In last 15 years, the top 8 teams that miss out on All australian are Sydney 4 times, Brisbane 3, Essendon 2, Collingwood 2, Geelong 2, Melbourne 1, Port Adelaide 1, Western Bulldogs 1.

[Yuri H]

No Mumford? No Kieran Jack? Surely they jest.

Snubbed again. The swine.

shakes fist futilely

[dimelb]

Did some research on the AA last night whilst watching the coverage that I found interesting.I posted it on twitter but here is a more detailed report,

In last 15 years (1995-2010), the teams that finish top 8 but no AA include 2009 8th Essendon, 2008 Sydney 6th, 2007 Collingwood 6th & Sydney 7th, 2005 Geelong 6th & Melbourne 8th, 2002 Collingwood 4th & Essendon 5th, 2001 Sydney 7th

In 2000 Brisbane finish 6th & Hawthorn 8th, 1999 Port Adelaide 7th, 1997 Geelong 2nd & Brisbane 8th, 1995 Western Buldogs 7th & Brisbane 8th

In in 2006, 2004, 2003, 1998, & 1996 all top 8 teams had at least 1 all australian inclusion.

The teams that missed out on an All-Australian selection but finished in top 8 include 8 Non Victorian teams 9 Victorian. Not good odds for outside Victorian considering there are 10 Victorian teams to 6 non-victorian.

Highest placed in the top 8 non AA was 2nd place Geelong, 4th Collllingwood, 5th Sydnry, 6th Sydney Collingwood Geelong Brisbane, 7th Sydney (Twice) Western Bulldogs Port Adelaide, 8th Essendon Melbourne Hawthorn Brisbane (Twice)

In last 15 years, the top 8 teams that miss out on All australian are Sydney 4 times, Brisbane 3, Essendon 2, Collingwood 2, Geelong 2, Melbourne 1, Port Adelaide 1, Western Bulldogs 1.

Where have you been all our life? Born to be a RWOer!

[Plugger1300]

Sometimes i wonder about some of you fellow R&W's. Seriously do you think Hanner's deserved AA?
That is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard. Yes he is going to be a star but AA in his first year.

Mumford should have been close but you need to generally put in two good years of service before being recognised.
As for the argument that we made finals so we should have all Australian players...sigh

This just proves we had an even team. I believe players like Jack, Grundy and Mumford play well again next year they will get these sort of rewards.

[SydAFLFan]

Sometimes i wonder about some of you fellow R&W's. Seriously do you think Hanner's deserved AA?
That is one of the most ridiculous things i have ever heard. Yes he is going to be a star but AA in his first year.

Mumford should have been close but you need to generally put in two good years of service before being recognised.
As for the argument that we made finals so we should have all Australian players...sigh

This just proves we had an even team. I believe players like Jack, Grundy and Mumford play well again next year they will get these sort of rewards.

Well, if you look at the statistics over the last 15 years, the top 8 is exactly where most of the team come from and for the past 15 years no more than two teams from the top 8 have missed out and for five of those 15 years, every top 8 team managed at least one player. So , no its not automatic but it increases your chances. Hence why the top 2 to 3 teams often dominate the AA squad and also like this year with only 5 of 22 from a non finals team. The teams that missed out this year, apart from the Swans finished 9th, 10th, 11th, 13th & 14th.

[RogueSwan]

Jack had a slow start to the season, before ramping up.
Malceski started strong and flattened out during the season.
Grundy too started well, but has not been outstanding in the last few months.
Goodes has only been great in through the rosy red and white glasses. Has had a pretty average year in my book.
Mumford, can count himself unlucky, as there are only 2 picked, it is always going to be tough to get a gig.

Just what I was going to post.
Eski got off to a flyer in the first half and dropped of a little.
Jack was the reverse.
Goodes was Goodes, brilliant but inconsistant (mainly due to the role he was forced to play).
Mummy missed a few games which probably put him just behind Jamar. Unlucky but Jamar did have a very good year.