Longmire: Good or Bad ?

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  • laughingnome
    Amateur Statsman
    • Jul 2006
    • 1624

    #46
    I appreciate and recognise why there is anger and disappointment targetd at Horse, but I think it's a bit early in the year to look at it too seriously. I say that with the clear memory of leaving the SCG after Round 2 1996 with people in the throng talking about how Eade wasn't going to be a success and we should dump him.
    10100111001 ;-)

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    • ernie koala
      Senior Player
      • May 2007
      • 3251

      #47
      I agree with others, Horse has made plenty of dodgy decisions so far...like...
      Seaby should of been in the 21 in round 1.
      Continuing to play Everitt, when he has given 1 good quarter(as a forward) in 5 games..
      And to use him as a sub, in the wet at the SCG, was never going to have an impact, bad choice.
      O'keefe to Judd was another blunder...what about McVeigh or McGlynn, who could at least hurt him the other way.
      IMO O'keefe should of been played as a forward. But this is all easy hindsight stuff.
      How Horse reacts, and how the team respond in the coming weeks, will tell us much more about Horse as a coach, than specific selections or matchups over just 5 week.
      Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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      • Nolie
        On the wing
        • Jul 2004
        • 520

        #48
        We cannot have Malthouse (nor do I want him) - the Swans have a "no d.......head" policy. They tried it Wallace rember?

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        • Big Al
          Veterans List
          • Feb 2005
          • 7007

          #49
          Originally posted by Nolie
          We cannot have Malthouse (nor do I want him) - the Swans have a "no d.......head" policy. They tried it Wallace rember?
          If we win a premiership I couldn't care if they were all axe murderers. I'd would never say we came last but thats all right they're all lovely blokes.

          If Malthouse was willing to come to Sydney I'd move heaven and earth to get him.
          Last edited by Big Al; 30 April 2011, 02:41 PM.
          ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

          Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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          • CureTheSane
            Carpe Noctem
            • Jan 2003
            • 5032

            #50
            Originally posted by erica
            Sorry, CureTheSane? I thought I agreed with you!
            Um.... yeah, sorry about that.
            misread your post (obviuosly because I couldn't figure out how your point was differnt to mine

            So. I agree completely with you
            The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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            • Red
              Foreign Correspondent
              • Jan 2003
              • 651

              #51
              Rd 5 is a probably too early to tell how a new coach is going. But Horse has made some odd selection choices this year.

              For instance last night Everitt would've seemed a logical choice to replace Grundy given he's a tall-ish defender. That would've let Pyke ease back into action via the sub, or given Johnston or Parker a nice entre to the senior level.

              Instead he moves Reid from a forward line already bereft of quality players and brings in another ruckman when the conditions made it a short mans game. Given this positional switch and the weather, wouldn't it make more sense to bring in Johnston (to replace Reid up front), or Parker (a hard-running mid)?

              IMO our biggest problem is we simply don't kick enough goals. I'm not sure if Horse's coaching is exacerbating this, but so far I don't see his selection policies playing to what little forward strength we do have.
              To all those people who waited 72 years to see a South Melbourne/Sydney Swans premiership HERE IT IS!!

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              • gazza
                Warming the Bench
                • Mar 2005
                • 329

                #52
                round 5 is too early to hang the coach,but okeefe cannot tag and judd ran riot on him,we should have been looking for another option.however 5 games is enough to decide that everitt is not up to standard and bevan only gives effort on the forward line
                forgotten 1996
                2005 a much sweeter memory,2012 even better

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                • goswannies
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 3048

                  #53
                  Originally posted by caj23
                  He is a complete @@@@@@@ Incidentally, if he was so good, why wasnt he poached by another club?
                  He was short listed for the Saints job wasn't he, the year Lyon got it. And North wanted him to apply but he declined when the Swans offered him the succession plan to take over from Roosy. Early days yet and our only 2 losses are against Geelong and Carlton who are fairly strong at the moment.

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                  • goswannies
                    Senior Player
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 3048

                    #54
                    Originally posted by ernie koala
                    O'Keefe to Judd was another blunder...what about McVeigh or McGlynn, who could at least hurt him the other way.
                    McGlynn?! Gives him 15cm in height. Possibly endurance and sustained pace too. When has he played as a genuine tagger?

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                    • Xie Shan
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 2929

                      #55
                      Originally posted by legaff
                      We were just as capable of pulling off mediocre performances under Roos as we are with Longmire. We went through a lot of really average patches with Roos... I think Longmire is on par considering the list he's working with... the bottom end of our team contains a fair bit of inexperience.
                      That's actually a very good point. I think this is just that, an average patch. I agree with your comments in the match day thread about the swans lacking the killer instinct these days. Give Horse a full year at least!

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                      • Bleed Red Blood
                        Senior Player
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 2057

                        #56
                        Originally posted by goswannies
                        McGlynn?! Gives him 15cm in height. Possibly endurance and sustained pace too. When has he played as a genuine tagger?
                        Yeah, well he said "hurt him going the other way" didnt he not as a "genuine tagger" ffs. and height made no difference last night, its not like Judd was hurting us by taking a ton of marks

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                        • BSA5
                          Senior Player
                          • Feb 2008
                          • 2522

                          #57
                          Kennedy, who stopped Judd in the final last year, had plenty of time on Judd as well, and couldn't curb him. Neither could Goodes. Longmire tried plenty of things, nothing worked. Judd was unstoppable. He gets like that sometimes, you know? One of the symptoms of being an absolute champion player.

                          Longmire's use of the sub has been pretty poor, but aside from that, there's not much you can complain about. No, we don't have much forwardline structure, but that's because we don't have a dominant key forward. We've got White who can't take a contested marks and gets the vast majority of his goals from crumbing, Reid who is as raw and inconsistent as he is promising, and Goodes who is better utilised in the midfield. He can't be held accountable for our lack of developed forwards.

                          Other than that, our midfield has generally functioned pretty well, and our defence has been fantastic.

                          Really, our skills have just been below par, which can happen occasionally for sides early on in a season, and we don't have a key forward to kick to. We also didn't have an answer to Judd last night. Two of those things are out of a coach's control. The other is a problem faced at least once by just about every coach in the competition.

                          Longmire hasn't taken the league by storm by any means, but he hasn't been bad.
                          Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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                          • Bloody Hell
                            Senior Player
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 3085

                            #58
                            Originally posted by barry
                            I dont see Mike Pyke being that much more experienced or skilled than a first gamer.


                            Bringing Pyke in was the correct decision. Mumford going forward was a move only possible by his inclusion. Showed enough aroung the ground to get the thumbs up. However - think Horse has made a few blues, particularly at the selection table.

                            Jetta is made for the sub position...and is totally worthless in the wet. Mature bodies required.
                            The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                            • Bloody Hell
                              Senior Player
                              • Oct 2006
                              • 3085

                              #59
                              Originally posted by ShockOfHair
                              I hear Vossie's looking for a gig next year.
                              So is Malthouse.
                              The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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                              • Bloody Hell
                                Senior Player
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 3085

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Big Al
                                If we win a premiership I couldn't care if they were all axe murderers. I'd would never say we came last but thats all right they're all lovely blokes.

                                If Malthouse was willing to come to Sydney I'd move heaven and earth to get him.
                                To reinforce the point....+1
                                The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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