Bombers v Suns Spoiler Alert

**Frog** · 1 May 2011, 01:41 PM

This is going to be a record game

Records are going to be broken. If Essendon continue the way they are now, watch the most goals in a quarter, biggest difference, biggest ever score and a host more records fall.

Yes it is embarassing, but interesting now to see the list of records they are anihilating.

**Mike_B** · 1 May 2011, 01:50 PM

The thing that worries me more than what happens today is what will happen next year. It seems that GWS will be coming in to the comp next year in a weaker position than the Suns did this year, so what does this suggest for 2012????

**ScottH** · 1 May 2011, 01:52 PM

I was just about to post this.
What a n absolute embarassment for GC and the AFL.

**Big Al** · 1 May 2011, 01:59 PM

The goal Umpires are going to get RSI today.

**ShockOfHair** · 1 May 2011, 02:02 PM

Sunbelievable.

At least they've scored a goal.

**ScottH** · 1 May 2011, 02:18 PM

4 goals now. Making a fight of it.

**Big Al** · 1 May 2011, 02:18 PM

Incredibly they might win the 2nd Qtr. Got to wonder where the effort shown this qtr was in the 1st.

**laughingnome** · 1 May 2011, 02:19 PM

Suns have outscored them this quarter. Get on them at 90-1 to win!

**Mug Punter** · 1 May 2011, 08:40 PM

Originally posted by Mike_B

The thing that worries me more than what happens today is what will happen next year. It seems that GWS will be coming in to the comp next year in a weaker position than the Suns did this year, so what does this suggest for 2012????

Exactly!!!

The Suns had a few years start on the Swans to get their house in order. They got a real coach, not has-been who is employed for generating media. They have also had the best crack at the off-contract players and given the other clubs an extra year to tie up their talent.

More importantly, no players going to GWS will fall the "we'll be competitive" line the Suns sold. They'll know that they are in for 2-3 seasons of absolute hidings. Sure they'll get some idiots chase the money but not any players worth their salt. Dale Thomas from Collingwood has said as much.

Seeing that mob get absolutely pummelled by the Bullants yesterday with Izzy looking like Bozo the Clown, it was inconceivable to see them being anything but a complete embarassment for the AFL for many seasons to come. And to think that this super TV deal is largely going to be spent propping those clowns up.

The Melbourne Media will have a field day and rightly so....

**Doctor** · 3 May 2011, 11:22 AM

Originally posted by Mug Punter

Exactly!!!

The Suns had a few years start on the Swans to get their house in order. They got a real coach, not has-been who is employed for generating media. They have also had the best crack at the off-contract players and given the other clubs an extra year to tie up their talent.

More importantly, no players going to GWS will fall the "we'll be competitive" line the Suns sold. They'll know that they are in for 2-3 seasons of absolute hidings. Sure they'll get some idiots chase the money but not any players worth their salt. Dale Thomas from Collingwood has said as much.

Seeing that mob get absolutely pummelled by the Bullants yesterday with Izzy looking like Bozo the Clown, it was inconceivable to see them being anything but a complete embarassment for the AFL for many seasons to come. And to think that this super TV deal is largely going to be spent propping those clowns up.

The Melbourne Media will have a field day and rightly so....

There was an interesting discussion about this on On The Couch last night. GWS will be watching the Suns' progress closely all year with a view to looking at the way they've gone about it and learning from it. I'd say that we'll see GWS trade some of their draft picks for established players. They'll probably also look at the second tier comps around the country to find mature rookies. The Suns have the talent but lack the seasoned pros you need to complement them.

If Daisy, for example, won't sign of his own free will the solution is to get his club to trade him for a high pick.

**laughingnome** · 3 May 2011, 12:07 PM

Getting mature players isn't enough. The Suns problem is that they're players, even the AFL 'mercenaries' (thankyou Simon Black) are the slight, silky sort with the exception of Hunt (who doesn't know how to use it), Brown (suspended) and Bock.

GWS would do well to not neccessarily target the best players, but the honest ones who can't be blown off the ball if their teammates aren't there to help. Sure, they'll still get pummelled while their draft picks come good, but the goal here is to be competitive in their first year, and hence be relevent to western Sydney. Failure there could set them back for years to come.

**Doctor** · 3 May 2011, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by laughingnome

Getting mature players isn't enough. The Suns problem is that they're players, even the AFL 'mercenaries' (thankyou Simon Black) are the slight, silky sort with the exception of Hunt (who doesn't know how to use it), Brown (suspended) and Bock.

GWS would do well to not neccessarily target the best players, but the honest ones who can't be blown off the ball if their teammates aren't there to help. Sure, they'll still get pummelled while their draft picks come good, but the goal here is to be competitive in their first year, and hence be relevent to western Sydney. Failure there could set them back for years to come.

I don't disagree. I guess that went unsaid but it was essentially what I meant. You want blokes who'll put in no matter want and are physical enough to be able to compete. Dare I use the word "journeymen"?

**Triple B** · 3 May 2011, 06:11 PM

Originally posted by Doctor

You want blokes who'll put in no matter want...

Shirley you meant 'no matter what'.

That's what I would of thought, anyway....

**Mug Punter** · 3 May 2011, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Doctor

There was an interesting discussion about this on On The Couch last night. GWS will be watching the Suns' progress closely all year with a view to looking at the way they've gone about it and learning from it. I'd say that we'll see GWS trade some of their draft picks for established players. They'll probably also look at the second tier comps around the country to find mature rookies. The Suns have the talent but lack the seasoned pros you need to complement them.

If Daisy, for example, won't sign of his own free will the solution is to get his club to trade him for a high pick.

I watched that too with interest. Roosy has always been pretty sceptical of whole GWS concept with his knowledge of this town not due to his Swans affiliation.

Basically he said a lot of things I have - that the media will have a feeding frenzy over this and that a 2nd team in Sydney that is a laughing stock will set the game backwards here not forwards.

To be fair I guess the Bogans can learn from the Suns mistakes. Problem is they have so little time.

I suspect they will find it very hard to get the same level of "talent" the Suns have via uncontracted players. If they filll the team with talented 18-19 year olds they will get slaughtered in the short term and they may lose the kids anyway once their 2-3 years are up. I suspect they will have to trade some of their early draft picks but the type of player they will get will be journeymen at best and they are in a Brisbane Bears situation. Certainly no player would go there unless it was their last chance saloon.

I can just imagine Sheeds and his three ring circus sitting at the table going "Mmmmm maybe this is going to be harder than we thought" scratching their heads in shock at the shambles they are involved in

I actually think the Suns have gone about it the right way though perhaps they could have traded one first round pick for a bit more experience. It's hard to see at times but there is some talent there and I think they'll be OK next year. Big diffference is they are in a much more forgiving market up there as there is a really strong AFL culture in that part of Australia. Don't think the Sydney public will be as understanding - as we keep on hearing it's the toughest most over-crowded sporting market in Australia and it hates losers let alone a club which is an embarrassment to be involved with....

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