Round 9: Ainslie v Sydney Swans Reserves

[BSA5]

Great wrap-up Primmy!

Just on Crawford, he is a bit younger than the other toppies, only 17. He's behind Potter, Guthrie, etc.

Man, I love Kane Murphy. Good to see he was back into it after his injury lay-off. I hope they give him a go as a rookie.

[wedge.maverick]

Great wrap-up Primmy!

Just on Crawford, he is a bit younger than the other toppies, only 17. He's behind Potter, Guthrie, etc.

Man, I love Kane Murphy. Good to see he was back into it after his injury lay-off. I hope they give him a go as a rookie.

Do you rate Murphy as being better than McNeil? If not what would be the value in putting him on as a rookie?

[BSA5]

Do you rate Murphy as being better than McNeil? If not what would be the value in putting him on as a rookie?

He's a different type of player, and with less time in the senior system. Where he compares with McNeil isn't really relevant. They could both make it.

[Primmy]

ugg, its a combo isn't. Kind of like "its amazing how lucky you can be if you work hard". Opportunistic makes 6 goals, works for me. Hard working makes 6 goals, ditto. He sure isn't just waiting for the ball to come in, he is on the move all the time.

Murphy and McNeil are extremely different. Kane was probably born a hard nut, and he is a bit older. Dyl is a hard worker too, but plays a different sort of game (after all his father isn't in the team of the century or a HoF inductee, but a good bloke anyway who is just as proud of his son as David is). As I see it, simplistically, Kane is in and under and at the bottom of the pack, with quick decision making, quick movement, and a lethal kick. Dyl is prowling the perimeter watching for the ball to be spat out, able to move quickly and taking his opportunities, who can also kick but is probably a couple of years of experience in behind Kane.

I have faith in both of them.

PS: Apologies to B Norton, sorry I missed both your goals! I think I allocated one of them to another toppie.

[Triple B]

Murphy and McNeil are extremely different. Kane was probably born a hard nut, and he is a bit older. Dyl is a hard worker too, but plays a different sort of game (after all his father isn't in the team of the century or a HoF inductee, but a good bloke anyway who is just as proud of his son as David is). As I see it, simplistically, Kane is in and under and at the bottom of the pack, with quick decision making, quick movement, and a lethal kick. Dyl is prowling the perimeter watching for the ball to be spat out, able to move quickly and taking his opportunities, who can also kick but is probably a couple of years of experience in behind Kane.

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Completely the opposite for mine, including the ages.....

[wedge.maverick]

Firstly I haven't seen Murphy this year so he may have improved a lot. I have seen him in the Rams stuff over the past year or two though.
I made the comparison because Dylan was an All-Australian at U18 level and is just a model of consistency. He wins his own ball which his specialty being able to win the ball at clearances.I would think at the end of this year if he hasn't played a game that his spot on the list will be in real jeopardy. The way I see it is that he is the perfect replacement for Jude so if Jude keeps on going I can't see a spot for him. We also have Tom Mitchell another small midfielder coming on to the list. If that's the case why would we then take on Murphy who is a year younger than Dyl but also shorter? The way the game is going size isn't a big issue but leg speed and foot skills are so unless Murphy has improved out of sight in both those areas I can't see him making it.
My view is that the rookie list is for punting on guys that are a chance of being AFL footballers not for topping up the reserves side.

[wolftone57]

Firstly I haven't seen Murphy this year so he may have improved a lot. I have seen him in the Rams stuff over the past year or two though.
I made the comparison because Dylan was an All-Australian at U18 level and is just a model of consistency. He wins his own ball which his specialty being able to win the ball at clearances.I would think at the end of this year if he hasn't played a game that his spot on the list will be in real jeopardy. The way I see it is that he is the perfect replacement for Jude so if Jude keeps on going I can't see a spot for him. We also have Tom Mitchell another small midfielder coming on to the list. If that's the case why would we then take on Murphy who is a year younger than Dyl but also shorter? The way the game is going size isn't a big issue but leg speed and foot skills are so unless Murphy has improved out of sight in both those areas I can't see him making it.
My view is that the rookie list is for punting on guys that are a chance of being AFL footballers not for topping up the reserves side.

i am wondering if you have ever seen Murphy Maverick, I have seen him & he starred. His delivery is spot on. Other than seeing him play I also trust the resie watchers as to who is coming on. They are both talents & there will be a couple of retirements at the end of season not one. Braddy is finished his time is past as good as he was injury has caught up with him he should retire. Teddy28, is getting close to the end, as is Bolts & in the next 2 years we could lose these Goodes 31, Kennelly 30, O'Keefe 30, Shaw 30 & Mattner 29. I also think Seaby was just a top up to help our young group of rucks & he has fulfilled that role & probably will next year. He was never a star at the Eagles but a good back up ruck & we do have a good group of young gun ruckmen. Bolts body will probably tell him he should pack it in at the end of the season as much as it pains me. We have to blood the young blokes now we have no choice, so I wish the people who keep saying "keep them back it isn't time" would wake up & see that our old stars are just that and soon the stars that burn so bright will start to fizz. We need to blood their replacements now to ensure the future!

[wolftone57]

Oops forgot LRT 28 but now getting niggling injuries

[liz]

McNeil's main obstacle is that he is more Bird (with a smaller body) than Jack. He is not exactly like Bird but his attributes are that he can get his hands on the ball, has a footy brain, decent but not overly penetrating disposal and isn't overly quick. Nothing wrong with those attributes in themselves, but in a team that already has Bolton, O'Keefe, Kennedy, Bird and Hanners in the midfield, we probably need another Jack-type rather than another Bird-type. Not that we have one of those currently running around - Sumner is one with the attributes most likely but he's still got a way to go.

Murphy I see (at least based on the role he's been playing in the reserves this year) as more of Moore type - a small, half-forward creator who can also snag a goal or two. Possibly a little quicker than Moore but not hugely so.

[BSA5]

Murphy I see (at least based on the role he's been playing in the reserves this year) as more of Moore type - a small, half-forward creator who can also snag a goal or two. Possibly a little quicker than Moore but not hugely so.

One of the rare times I'm going to disagree with you, Liz. I reckon Murphy is considerably quicker than Moore, over both short and long distances. I see him more as a tough line-runner with a booming kick, very much in the Jack mould. He isn't as pacy as Jack, but he's certainly not one-paced.

That said, you've seen more of him that I have.

[Primmy]

What I acknowledge in Murphy is what I have been watching him for. First of all he is a toppie, not a rookie. And the only time this toppie hasn't played in ressies this season is when he was injured. There is generally a few toppies they play more than others, such as Brain and Guthrie. Thompson, Potter and Wales (I think still injured) are also on fairly regular rotation. After that comes the others who may only get a couple of games, or one. Some of them look like mobile toothpicks, but you can see if they have the "it" factor. Sometimes they turn up again in the following season, and sometimes they get picked up mostly as rookies (like Kruger, McNeil, I am fairly sure Nipper was in that mix too, and that cannonball Ed something, lasted one season)

I had no idea who number 53 was in his first outings in practice matches but I found myself watching him. Was impressed at the start with his commitment, ability to find the ball, his quick decision making and his delivery. I don't know if he can run quickly, perhaps what I am seeing is his ability to make on the spot decisions and act quickly. I am not sure if he can handball......but his kicking has become accurate and quick and his spatial awareness, and awareness of where his fellow players are, is quite impressive as far as I am concerned. Please also note, these are personal opinions and observations. Quite often I am right.

I agree with liz, he is definitely more of a Kizza type than Dyl is. Kind of Kizza at the bottom of the pack. and Dyl is more like Jude lurking around the maul.

Maybe he wasn't as impressive last season and not getting picked up by the Saints would have stung. He also told me that he knew his major problem was his height, and I have a picture to prove he is not by an inch or so any taller than me in low shoes, and I am 5'6. He obviously has the heart and willingness and intent and belief but not arrogant with it. He is a pleasure to watch.

[ugg]

Wales (I think still injured)

I see a T.Wales listed as BOG for Pennant Hills. I'm pretty sure that's him unless there's another T.Wales at the Demons in line with the Brandon Jack/Brant Jack fiasco.

And while we're on the subject of topups, I see the NSW/ACT U18 Rams are playing next week so we won't have access to a lot of Academy players including Potter, Guthrie, Lynch, Robinson, Pratt, Gourlay, the Moody brothers, Jack, Wray (although the last 2 haven't seen action as toppies this year)

[Primmy]

Tim (my new best friend Tim) did say he played for PH, so whoohoo for him!

Wouldn't mind seeing the Moody boys again, and I haven't seen Jack at all.

[ugg]

I've been trying to come up with nicknames for the Moody bros, how about Jake and Elroy?

[BSA5]

I see a T.Wales listed as BOG for Pennant Hills. I'm pretty sure that's him unless there's another T.Wales at the Demons in line with the Brandon Jack/Brant Jack fiasco.

And while we're on the subject of topups, I see the NSW/ACT U18 Rams are playing next week so we won't have access to a lot of Academy players including Potter, Guthrie, Lynch, Robinson, Pratt, Gourlay, the Moody brothers, Jack, Wray (although the last 2 haven't seen action as toppies this year)

Any idea if this game is being recorded for footage material?

Also, it won't be the entire squad that is playing. It wouldn't surprise me to see a few of the younger ones (Robinson, Jack, A.Moody, Wray, maybe Gourlay) not make the cut for the final team, so we may be able to play them. It would be great to see mini-Jack running around in the red and white!

Also, Jake and Elroy, nice. Though Eric will have to be Elroy; Andrew, Jake. Otherwise the heights are all wrong.

Another option is M1 and M2. Or if one of them turns out to be good, the other a spud, "good Mood" and "bad Mood".