The Sub-Rule; The reason it doesn't work

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  • wolftone57
    Veterans List
    • Aug 2008
    • 5851

    The Sub-Rule; The reason it doesn't work

    The injury to Jarred Roughhead last night is a direct consequence of the Sub-Rule. If Roughhead, a KPP, had not had to do ruck duties the probability is he would not have this injury now. Using players who are not specialist ruckmen to do ruck duties not only upsets team ballance but poses other problems. When players are set position players they are used to playing a certain way, running toward the ball etc. When going into the ruck they have to move differently & take on a far greater aerobic role & are not trained for it being set posie players. I believe we will see a lot more injuries before the end of the season. I wish teams would go back to playing 2 ruckmen & leave their forward set up stable. The Hawks had an almost unbeatable set up when on song but now they are probably gone.
  • Nico
    Veterans List
    • Jan 2003
    • 11337

    #2
    What about Mumford? He was rucked until he broke down after we were lambasted by the press for having Seaby as the sub in the first round.
    http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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    • liz
      Veteran
      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16760

      #3
      I don't like the sub rule and I don't think it is doing anything to produce better quality football late in games as players are clearly more fatigued than they were a year ago.

      But I don't think that Roughead's injury is proof. Who knows whether he'd have done the same thing had he not been playing in the ruck. It wasn't an impact injury directly attributable to rucking. And he's not the first player to rupture an achilles.

      I also don't quite see why so many coaches seem to have decided that the second proper ruckman should be a casualty of the rule. If a team has two good rucks, why not play them and get an advantage over other teams who are playing a mediocre pinch hitter in the ruck. I suspect they've been as much influenced by the success of Leigh Brown as a mobile pinch hitter as they've been persuaded by the sub rule. If you have a pinch hitter who can provide a decent contest and then give you something around the ground as a mobile ruckman it makes sense to go this route. But if you don't have such a player, it seems pointless to try and create one out of a player not up to it.

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      • Bas
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 4457

        #4
        I did see Roughhead go down. he was running for a contest and fell over. He immediately put his hand up and literally within seconds a trainer ran on from the GSS side of the ground. The trainer immediately signalled for a stretcher as Roughead must have told him what had happened.

        Amazing, he went off the ground without the slightest expression of pain or discomfort. It was amazing as he just sat there looking around.

        I don't understand why the 2nd ruckman gets the chop either. What happened to resting people in the forward pocket like the old days.

        An early injury to a player in a game doesn't really make any difference to the status quo from before the sub rule. Early injury previously resulted in a 3 man bench.
        In memory of my little Staffy - Dicey, 17.06.2005 to 1.12.2011- I'll miss you mate.

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16760

          #5
          Originally posted by Bas
          Amazing, he went off the ground without the slightest expression of pain or discomfort. It was amazing as he just sat there looking around.
          Ya reckon? I thought he looked like he was in agony - and anguish.

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          • ScottH
            It's Goodes to cheer!!
            • Sep 2003
            • 23665

            #6
            Originally posted by liz
            Ya reckon? I thought he looked like he was in agony - and anguish.
            disconsolate was the word that came to mind for me.

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            • goswannie14
              Leadership Group
              • Sep 2005
              • 11166

              #7
              Originally posted by liz
              But I don't think that Roughead's injury is proof. Who knows whether he'd have done the same thing had he not been playing in the ruck. It wasn't an impact injury directly attributable to rucking. And he's not the first player to rupture an achilles.
              I agree Liz, it appeared to me that as he started to run that it happened as he accelerated. I don't see that as proof that the sub rule doesn't work.
              Last edited by goswannie14; 15 June 2011, 06:16 AM.
              Does God believe in Atheists?

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              • 707
                Veterans List
                • Aug 2009
                • 6204

                #8
                I don't like the sub rule but you can bet the AFL (Vlad & Anderson) won't back down because they made such a hooha about it being bought in without warning on "scientific" evidence, that's just frog spawn!

                I've got no doubt that it killed the chances of 18-20 ruckman of ever getting a crack at playing AFL. When you played two ruckmen you always needed at least two as back ups or in development. Now only one genuine ruckman is played, as we are finding three is too many!

                Pissed off that at a time we finally get three genuine ready to go ruckmen the AFL change the rule on us :-(

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                • ShockOfHair
                  One Man Out
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 3668

                  #9
                  With two new clubs starting up I don't think you can argue that would-be players aren't going to get an opportunity. Each club will require a dozen talls including four or five ruckmen.

                  Back to injuries: ruckman are injury-prone. I count 11 out right now: Jolly, Sandilands, Charman, Blake, Roughead, Renouf McIntosh, and Gardiner. Jamar, Mumford and Pyke might play this week.
                  Last edited by ShockOfHair; 15 June 2011, 12:44 AM. Reason: Fresh info
                  The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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                  • dimelb
                    pr. dim-melb; m not f
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 6889

                    #10
                    Originally posted by goswannie14
                    I agree Liz, it appeared to me that as he started to run that it happened as he accelerated. I don't see that as proof that the sub rule doesn't work.
                    As I saw it too.
                    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                    • Triple B
                      Formerly 'BBB'
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 6999

                      #11
                      I dislike the sub rule because it disrupts fantasy sides and it is frustrating when young players are making their debut, but sit on the pine for 3 quarters. Just a personal opinion.
                      Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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                      • wolftone57
                        Veterans List
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 5851

                        #12
                        SMH; Players Risk Burn Out with new Sub Rule

                        This is a very interesting article & it is the reason I don't like the sub rule. Why not just cap the amount of interchanges a team can have instead just like the NRL. We would need far more than them but not as many as were happening and it might stop this stupid resting of players every time they kick a goal. It would mean we still retain four interchange who all can go onto the ground not one who sits cold on the bench for most of the game.

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