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  • GongSwan
    Senior Player
    • Jan 2009
    • 1362

    #76
    Originally posted by Red
    Sauce. I'm assuming your rant is genuine and you're not just indulging in a bit of cage-rattling. But it's a slow night, so here's my 'reply and contribution to the thread'.

    For what it's worth I understand your frustration with the current final-8 system. It does seem like a cynical marketing exercise intended to drag out a profitable finals series by mixing some cannon fodder in with the contenders. Eight place means you're only a half-decent team. And no-one has ever won from lower than fifth (unverified).

    But the system is what it is, and at the end of the day there's some very compelling reasons for making the finals:
    1. Sponsors like it
      Greater exposure for their brand in the high-rating Finals Series means they're happy and the club has more to bargain with during (re)negotiations.
    2. Fans and supporters like it
      Well, most of them do anyway If an honourable exit from Finals doesn't get more fans and members the next season, not making the Finals at all will ensure a drop in numbers.
    3. The club is more attractive to targeted players / coaches / staff
      Players are motivated primarily by two things: money and the chance at a flag (which you get by playing Finals). Same goes for support staff, managers, medicos, everyone.
    4. It's more money for the club
      Literally -- the higher you finish, the more prize money you get.
    5. Anything can happen
      It's unlikely that a team outside of the four will win the flag, but not impossible. Upsets do happen, even in finals. Think Swans v Port in 2003. It almost happened last Sat night. By all means expect the worst, but temper it by hoping for the best.
    6. There's only two real prizes anyway
      The flag, and the #1 draft pick (maybe the first few). Everything else from second down to near-bottom get nothing. So if you're not in that group, you may as well finish as high as you can -- for the reasons above and for others posted in this thread.
    I think this says it all, I'm all for playing the young blokes as I don't reallly think we are a flag chance this year, but you have to get to the finals to really find out.We weren't supposed to beat Carlton last year, or North the year b4 that, so you never know who is going to fold, many teams get to the finals and get the Colliwobbles (hehehehehehehehehe) so to speak, so ythere is always a chance
    You can't argue with a sick mind - Joe Walsh

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    • elastic
      On the Rookie List
      • Feb 2010
      • 28

      #77
      Have you spoken to any Richmond fans lately Sauce?
      We may have become complacent about making the finals but I assure you that many fans from other clubs would love their team to make the eight and take part in a finals match.
      We can't take for granted the great effort our players put in every week and even though they might not be the most talented side they should be rewarded for their efforts by playing in the finals again.
      We shouldn't devalue their efforts just because they don't finish top four.

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      • GongSwan
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2009
        • 1362

        #78
        Get on a pie, sauce
        You can't argue with a sick mind - Joe Walsh

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        • top40
          Regular in the Side
          • May 2007
          • 933

          #79
          I personally love the Finals when Sydney qualify.

          I have retained a determined wish not missed a Swans Finals game. Consequently I have not missed one since 1999. That's meant for me as a Sydneysider, two trips to Perth, one to Adelaide, and eight Melbourne visits in the past dozen years. Loved every minute of such travelling occasions.

          I also love the tradition of Australian football Finals, (also applicable for the NRL). It keeps most clubs and the hundreds of thousands of fans interested for most of the season. Lest we ever go to the English Premier League boring system of first-past-the-post, strictly home and away Premiers.

          I further love the playing the national anthem. Love the more competitve nature of Finals football.

          Finally, I love that thought that notwithstanding the fact that your team finished 8th, maybe, just maybe, this is the season for a fairytale finish. Maybe your team will break a preceedent and break through and win the Flag!

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          • Dosser
            Just wild about Harry
            • Mar 2011
            • 1833

            #80
            Originally posted by top40
            I personally love the Finals when Sydney qualify.

            I have retained a determined wish not missed a Swans Finals game. Consequently I have not missed one since 1999. That's meant for me as a Sydneysider, two trips to Perth, one to Adelaide, and eight Melbourne visits in the past dozen years. Loved every minute of such travelling occasions.

            I also love the tradition of Australian football Finals, (also applicable for the NRL). It keeps most clubs and the hundreds of thousands of fans interested for most of the season. Lest we ever go to the English Premier League boring system of first-past-the-post, strictly home and away Premiers.

            I further love the playing the national anthem. Love the more competitve nature of Finals football.

            Finally, I love that thought that notwithstanding the fact that your team finished 8th, maybe, just maybe, this is the season for a fairytale finish. Maybe your team will break a preceedent and break through and win the Flag!
            This

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            • Sauce
              Suspended by the MRP
              • Jun 2011
              • 113

              #81
              Originally posted by top40
              Finally, I love that thought that notwithstanding the fact that your team finished 8th, maybe, just maybe, this is the season for a fairytale finish. Maybe your team will break a preceedent and break through and win the Flag!
              You really think so? LOL

              Soo....my OP still stands..are we all content to play finals or even hope we play finals..so we can be walloped (or how about the usual team x is up by 50 points with 10 mins to go and we kick 3 junk time goals to make the scoreline flatter us)

              *insert sound of crickets*

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              • Triple B
                Formerly 'BBB'
                • Feb 2003
                • 6999

                #82
                Originally posted by Sauce
                Soo....my OP still stands..are we all content to play finals or even hope we play finals..so we can be walloped (or how about the usual team x is up by 50 points with 10 mins to go and we kick 3 junk time goals to make the scoreline flatter us)

                *insert sound of crickets*
                You asked us once and we all told you we want to play finals.

                Should we all change our mind because of Saturday night??
                Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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                • Jewels
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 3258

                  #83
                  Originally posted by Sauce
                  You really think so? LOL

                  Soo....my OP still stands..are we all content to play finals or even hope we play finals..so we can be walloped (or how about the usual team x is up by 50 points with 10 mins to go and we kick 3 junk time goals to make the scoreline flatter us)

                  *insert sound of crickets*
                  Honestly buddy, you are the epitome of a "Fair weather supporter".
                  I think Carlton sounds like they would be the ideal team for you, at least till they start tanking again then you can find the next BIG THING teams band wagon to jump on.

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                  • Sauce
                    Suspended by the MRP
                    • Jun 2011
                    • 113

                    #84
                    Originally posted by Jewels
                    Honestly buddy, you are the epitome of a "Fair weather supporter".
                    I think Carlton sounds like they would be the ideal team for you, at least till they start tanking again then you can find the next BIG THING teams band wagon to jump on.
                    Listen darls i aint the only one 'ating 'ere, capish?

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                    • Jewels
                      On the Rookie List
                      • Oct 2006
                      • 3258

                      #85
                      Originally posted by Sauce
                      Listen darls i aint the only one 'ating 'ere, capish?
                      'ating, 'ere? Sorry, I don't capish!

                      And I certainly am not your "darls"!!!!!!

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                      • Big Al
                        Veterans List
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 7007

                        #86
                        Originally posted by Sauce
                        You really think so? LOL

                        Soo....my OP still stands..are we all content to play finals or even hope we play finals..so we can be walloped (or how about the usual team x is up by 50 points with 10 mins to go and we kick 3 junk time goals to make the scoreline flatter us)

                        *insert sound of crickets*
                        Originally posted by Sauce
                        Listen darls i aint the only one 'ating 'ere, capish?
                        As far the Swans losing finals badly all I can say is:

                        The Righteous Often Laughingly Lose
                        ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

                        Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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                        • Sauce
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Jun 2011
                          • 113

                          #87
                          If anything i think you AL are the one trying to convince yourself and others that I am a troll. Not surprising tbh.

                          No I am not a troll as much as you want to believe i am.

                          I just don't feel the need to see every aspect of the sydney swans with rose coloured glasses. I know this irks the most die hard passionate nuffy but I really couldn't care less TBH. If you want to support the club that way - go ahead - just don't expect everyone to follow the team in the same manner.

                          I get enough of that sillyness down here with one eye Victorian supporters who over rate their team by at least 250%.

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                          • Dan
                            Warming the Bench
                            • Oct 2010
                            • 338

                            #88
                            Sauce i haven't bothered to read the whole thread so sorry if this has already come up. I understand that you are frustrated that IF we make the finals we will just make up the numbers, which i believe this season is all we will do, and I also believe we have not improved from last year. But I don't get why you are posting all this, from what I've read you haven't come up with any solutions, only problems. Do you suggest we trade half our list, recruit well persist with our current list, target youth or tank???
                            I See It But I Don't Believe It!!!!

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                            • CJK
                              Human
                              • Apr 2006
                              • 2170

                              #89
                              @Sauce - perhaps if you stop watching altogether then you'll never see the Swans lose.

                              And you won't have the urge to bring your crazy here.

                              Win / Win
                              -

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                              • msb
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Mar 2006
                                • 827

                                #90
                                Originally posted by Dan
                                Sauce i haven't bothered to read the whole thread so sorry if this has already come up. I understand that you are frustrated that IF we make the finals we will just make up the numbers, which i believe this season is all we will do, and I also believe we have not improved from last year. But I don't get why you are posting all this, from what I've read you haven't come up with any solutions, only problems. Do you suggest we trade half our list, recruit well persist with our current list, target youth or tank???
                                This is what I dont understand in this very amusing thread, what does this character want the swans to do?????????

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