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I would take schneider back straight away, as long as we don't give up any of young guns coming through. Be pretty funny if Meredith ended up in a deal.
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You've got to think of it as a trade of Schneider for Mattner. The club wanted Mattner, but couldn't afford both him and Schneider. At the time, we were lacking in "hard-nut" HBFs. We had Kennelly and Malceski, but they're cut from very different cloth to Mattner. At the same time, we had Schneider, Buchanan, Moore. Schneider was the one Ross wanted, that's the one he got. I wish we'd pushed for a better deal, but it wasn't the current administration's style. Get in, get out, everybody's happy. Dempster was thrown in pretty much as a freebie because he wasn't going to last at the Swans.Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!Comment
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Im not downing Mattner in anyway, he has been invaluable this year. But at the moment we have an over-abundance of defenders and we are missing clever full-time forwards like Schneider; hell, we even have our old fullback LRT trying to play full forward. Hindsight is a curse. Personally I would have kept Schneider over Mattner.Comment
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Yep, but that is hindsight. Who could have predicted Buchanan's form would take the turn it did? If anything, Buchanan's game was harder, more basic, and should have been more immune to dips in form. But no, he really deteriorated. Moore just hasn't been fit enough. And I don't think we have too many HBFs. We have too many key position defenders (Richards, Grundy, LRT and Johnson), sure, and as you say LRT is playing forward, but that has little to do with Mattner. That's far more to do with the fact that Johnson has rapidly, and totally unexpectedly, cemented himself in the side.Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!Comment
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Buchanan's form was dependent upon the style of players around him as was Schneider. I suspect both would struggle in a forward line which did not include davis, BBBH and MOL.
i think schneider however was clearly a smarter player and Buchanan the harder player. I thought at the time that schneider was a much better kick through the midfield and what buchy contributed was the dinky 14 metre pass that we got away with a lot in 2005-2006. But his kicking over distance was never what schenider's was.
OTOH i do wonder whether people remember just how frequently schenider missed goals on the run from inside 40 metres. I know the saints fans remember them well.Comment
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If the justification is that it was a straight swap of Schneider for Mattner then we lost out. I like Mattner and think he's a good player but the fact is that it's very difficult to find quality specialist forwards and it always has been. Utilities are a dime a dozen and can be picked up cheapy at any time.
Buchanan was never as prolific in front of goal as Schneider, Buchanan 57 goals from 116 games at the Swans versus 98 goals from 99 games from Schneids. You don't have to be an AFL coach, or need the benefit of hindsight to work out which of these players should have been kept.Comment
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I would not have. Mattner's given the club much more than Schneider would have.
I disagree that you have to involve Mattner in the Schneider trade at all.
Schneids + Dempster = Pick 26 = Meredith
They could have delisted him and sent him to the draft if they wanted. Agree with the earlier posts that them being traded was about list management.The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.Comment
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It's absolutely pertinent. From memory the Mattner trade was one of the first trades of the week and the club stated from the beginning that they would look to get back into the second round of the draft after trading pick 28 to get him.
It's reasonable to suggest if the Mattner trade could not be done, then the Swans would have kept pick 28 and the Schneider/Dempster scenario would never have eventuated.
Of cause the whole argument is moot and even if we came out behind on that trade, nobody could possibly suggest we have been anything but outrageously successful in trades over the past 3 or 4 years.Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09Comment
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The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.Comment
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The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.Comment
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Because he has shown very little to at senior and reserves level to indicate that he has a future at afl level and has been overtaken in the pecking order by blokes drafted 3 years behind himComment
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