Delistings 2011

[Triple B]

Jetta needs to harden up. At present, you couldnt entertain the remotest thought of playing him in finals, as he is too soft at the ball, and wouldnt get a touch.

For this he needs to bulk up a bit, and get more consistancy.

I wouldnt delist him, but he needs a big pre-season before 2012.

He had no trouble getting a touch in 2 finals last year.

He certainly needs to get a bit stronger to allow him to stick tackles, but I don't see that he needs to bulk up. We have more than enough madman (Bolton, Parker, Kennedy) prepared to go in and get the bloody thing, we just need somebody to receive the clearance and put on the afterburners. If those afterburners are inhibited in any way by bulking up, I want him to remain skinny.

Not everybody is made to throw their bodies into packs and just because they don't have that body doesn't make them any less courageous, probably just more sensible...

[AnsweredPrayers]

If he's to weak to tackle he's stuffed in the modern game. Players with speed who run around on the wing playing bruise-free football are a thing of the past. I don't know if that's bulking up, technique, or courage. Whatever it is he needs to find it in the off season.

[ugg]

Judging from Roos' commentary on Swans games on FOX, their main concern is that he is not using his pace to his full advantage. It seems like they are prepared to let slide the poor tackling efforts (whether that is fair or not is another matter) if he can use his speed more judiciously. I recall one discussion between Roos and Lynch (Al) where Lynch was saying the coaches would almost be happy for Jetta to get tackled and pinged for holding the ball because that would show that he is trying to take players on and break packs and zones.

[ScottH]

MUST keep Jesse and TDL....Jesse will be a star..wait until he gets to 70-80 games,his form late this year showed glimpses,big kids take ages,especially those from non-AFL backgrounds..and TDL,given a good injury run is one of the better and smarter small fowards going round...

I so hope they keep TDL, I thought he showed enough last year.

As for Jesse:
The non-AFL background has always worried me with some of these guys. They are just missing some of the natural instinct that many of the others who are from an AFL background have.
I still see it in LRT occasionally.

I do hope your right Ash, but I just haven't seen enough this year to be to impressed.

If he's to weak to tackle he's stuffed in the modern game. Players with speed who run around on the wing playing bruise-free football are a thing of the past. I don't know if that's bulking up, technique, or courage. Whatever it is he needs to find it in the off season.

I do remember in one game this year he brought down one of the big Roos, (Edwards?) The one where he copped a whack in the jewels. So he does have a bit of mongrel about him when it comes to tackling. But a bit of brawn on that tiny frame wouldn't go astray. --- Real Commando, where are you??

[Nico]

I so hope they keep TDL, I thought he showed enough last year.

As for Jesse:
The non-AFL background has always worried me with some of these guys. They are just missing some of the natural instinct that many of the others who are from an AFL background have.
I still see it in LRT occasionally.

I do hope your right Ash, but I just haven't seen enough this year to be to impressed.



I do remember in one game this year he brought down one of the big Roos, (Edwards?) The one where he copped a whack in the jewels. So he does have a bit of mongrel about him when it comes to tackling. But a bit of brawn on that tiny frame wouldn't go astray. --- Real Commando, where are you??

That was Banana Firrito.

[ScottH]

That was Banana Firrito.

Thanks Nico, I new it was some big lump.

[BSA5]

I so hope they keep TDL, I thought he showed enough last year.

As for Jesse:
The non-AFL background has always worried me with some of these guys. They are just missing some of the natural instinct that many of the others who are from an AFL background have.
I still see it in LRT occasionally.

I do hope your right Ash, but I just haven't seen enough this year to be to impressed.

Can we please dispell this myth that White is not from an AFL background?! He has played footy since he was a kid, he is not new to the game, he just took a year off to focus on basketball at one point. That's all. He's as much from a footy background as Buddy Franklin (and considerably moreso than Goodes).

[Triple B]

He's as much from a footy background as Buddy Franklin (and considerably moreso than Goodes).

Maybe not an AFL background as in 'never played the game', but certainly any kid raised in Sydney and further north did not grow up in an AFL environment where you live and breath it, get it smashed in your face on the television daily and every afternoon after school you kick a Sherrin in the street with your mates.

I refuse to believe White had more opportunity to hone his AFL skills in SE Queensland than Adam Goodes in some paddock in the bush...

[wolftone57]

Sumner looks like he won't make the cut and Currie's spot will probably be dependent on whether Seaby makes a move or not.

Sumner would have made it and was close to a game I believe but he got home sick. If he can't play away from home get a deal with Port or Adelaide. Seaby could go elsewhere and be very useful but little use here & Currie is still developing & probably will be good, lets not make the Gellong Mummy mistake. Bevo would be a walk up at GWS & Sheedy loves his style of player & gets the best out of them so I reckon he should opt for there as there is little for him here.

[AnnieH]

Uncle Byron had family issues and had to go home.
I seriously hope he makes it back ... Jets is lost without him.

[BSA5]

Maybe not an AFL background as in 'never played the game', but certainly any kid raised in Sydney and further north did not grow up in an AFL environment where you live and breath it, get it smashed in your face on the television daily and every afternoon after school you kick a Sherrin in the street with your mates.

I refuse to believe White had more opportunity to hone his AFL skills in SE Queensland than Adam Goodes in some paddock in the bush...

Goodes played soccer til he was 14. White played Aussie Rules from the start. You can't use where he grew up as an excise; Nick Riewoldt, Kieran Jack, Lenny Hayes and tons of others have learnt to play the game in NSW/QLD. White has absolutely no excuse.

[Triple B]

Goodes played soccer til he was 14. White played Aussie Rules from the start. You can't use where he grew up as an excise; Nick Riewoldt, Kieran Jack, Lenny Hayes and tons of others have learnt to play the game in NSW/QLD. White has absolutely no excuse.

I'm not really arguing the point with you, but was trying to point out when people speak of 'no AFL background', as ScottH did, many are actually saying they didn't grow up in an 'AFL environment', not that they first touched a Sherrin a couple of years back.

I'm with you, I also don't believe that is Jesse's problem either, his problem is he doesn't throw around his frame in a manner you'd expect somebody of his size would, added to the fact he is actually very mobile for a man his size makes it a double disappointment. It's fair to say that has little to do with where he was brought up.

But if you want to argue that a lad growing up and playing in Sydney has the same exposure to the game as a boy his age growing up in Victoria, SA or WA, then I guess I have nothing left...

[BSA5]

I'm not really arguing the point with you, but was trying to point out when people speak of 'no AFL background', as ScottH did, many are actually saying they didn't grow up in an 'AFL environment', not that they first touched a Sherrin a couple of years back.

I'm with you, I also don't believe that is Jesse's problem either, his problem is he doesn't throw around his frame in a manner you'd expect somebody of his size would, added to the fact he is actually very mobile for a man his size makes it a double disappointment. It's fair to say that has little to do with where he was brought up.

But if you want to argue that a lad growing up and playing in Sydney has the same exposure to the game as a boy his age growing up in Victoria, SA or WA, then I guess I have nothing left...

But I don't think that's a valid argument at all, whether or not you think it's White's problem. Sure, players from rugby areas don't have the same exposure to the game, but so what? They all still play the game, they all still develop an understanding for the game, they have zero excuses, and most don't need them. Craig Bird has a great understanding of the game (he's a terrifically intelligent player) but he grew up in the middle of Rugby League heartland. The McVeigh brothers are similar. Sam Gilbert reads the play coming into the backline terrifically well. In fact, LOTS of QLD and NSW players are very intelligent players.

Not growing up in an AFL-dominated area does not mean a player doesn't come from an AFL background. If that starts becoming an excuse, then god help us.

[Melbournehammer]

Before we get into the Jesse debate can we have a look at tonight's game - a far better midfield than ours and the dominant marking forwards of dawes and cloke basically took sfa contested marks in the fifty against the hawks. Bash Jesse if you must bsa5 but try and acknowledge that maybe it's the rest of the side and their tremendous skills that makes being a ff in the 2011 swans a terrifically tough spot to play. And maybe recognize that the hawks tall defenders and structure at the mcg works a helluva lot better than you give it credit for.

But if you feel like blaming Jesse for our forward failures this year go right ahead....you'll get plenty of support. But you won't get it from me. I remain in the camp that he's the best we had available to us in those late season games and he did as well as could reasonably have been expected and regularly made a contest in the forward line and in the ruck.

[BSA5]

Before we get into the Jesse debate can we have a look at tonight's game - a far better midfield than ours and the dominant marking forwards of dawes and cloke basically took sfa contested marks in the fifty against the hawks. Bash Jesse if you must bsa5 but try and acknowledge that maybe it's the rest of the side and their tremendous skills that makes being a ff in the 2011 swans a terrifically tough spot to play. And maybe recognize that the hawks tall defenders and structure at the mcg works a helluva lot better than you give it credit for.

But if you feel like blaming Jesse for our forward failures this year go right ahead....you'll get plenty of support. But you won't get it from me. I remain in the camp that he's the best we had available to us in those late season games and he did as well as could reasonably have been expected and regularly made a contest in the forward line and in the ruck.

Daniel Bradshaw found the going OK as a FF. So has the raw, inexperienced and skinny Sam Reid, at both CHF and FF (at times). Mumford, Spangher, LRT (when he wasn't struggling with injury), even Pyke (looked good when he got on the park), all have been able to have an impact when inside 50. White has played two passable games for a FF/second ruck, and that is frankly not acceptable.