2011 RWO draft thread - as it happens and the wash up

[goswannie14]

So do I. Let's welcome the dark side..............................

Look at it this way. GWS have just recruited Patton and with Folau will have all the attention in the media next year.

The best way of changing that.....................recruiting another very bad, bad boy from the AFL.

It makes total sense. He will contribute more game time than Bradshaw did and to quote the late Bhagwan Shree Rashneesh - Any publicity is good publicity.

Perhaps if anything, the Swans could use him to teach our young guys how to kick straight.

Cant argue with that Bas - Fev is alot of things and being a straight kick is one of the very few positives, and to be brutally honest - we need help in the kicking area. I too would also like to see the RWO meltdown, its would give any footy forum richter scale out there a run for its money!

I'd like to see that as well.

[ugg]

From http://twitter.com/AFL_PKeane

Club list deadlines for a number of player categories closed today at 2pm, Tues 29/11. The following players were lodged with the AFL:
Out of Contract Primary List Draft Nominations
Nil

Int'l Player on Rookie List
Coll; Caolan Mooney (Ireland)
Rich; John Heslin (Ire).

Players not Registered or Played for Three Years inclusion on Rookie List Geelong Cats
Mark Blicavs (Athletics).

NSW Schol/Int'l Schol incl as Rookie
Lions; Richard Newell (NSW)
Carl; Matthew Lodge (NSW)
Coll; Michael Hartley (NSW)
Swans; Jack Lynch (NSW)

Alternative Talent
Adelaide Crows - Ben Dowdell.

It's hard to tell because you have to be very brief on Twitter but what exactly does this mean? Has Jack Lynch definitely been put on the rookie list? How about Jackson Potter (who was also a scholarship player IIRC) and Mitch Thompson (non scholarship but Academy)?

[ugg]

and scroll down Pat Keane's twitter further and you'll see he has listed both Jude and Goodes as vets inside the list. We had 39 players on the senior list last year (1inside and 1 outside vet) and now with both inside the list and 7 ins and 8 outs to the senior list, that gives us our 38 senior players for the 2012.

In: Armstrong, Morton, Walsh, Mitchell, Lockyer, Brown, Gordon
Out: C.Bolton, Currie, Kennelly, Bradshaw, Sumner, Johnston, Heath, Bevan

Rookie list currently McNeil, Kruger and Lynch with the possibilities of Heath, Potter, Thompson and Cunningham. We had 39 seniors and 6 rookies last year so if we were to maintain to same total numbers, 7 rookies would be the way to go.

[Big Al]

Thanks for the info Ugg...

Does that mean if one of the rookies plays out of his skin, we can move Goodes or B1 to the veterans list and play the rookie??

[ABloodsMan]

I'm pretty positive that means the decisions been made to rookie lynch with that confirming we will take him with our last pick in the rookie draft through the scholarship.

[ugg]

Thanks for the info Ugg...

Does that mean if one of the rookies plays out of his skin, we can move Goodes or B1 to the veterans list and play the rookie??

Both players are on veterans list. The effects of this classification is to do with how much of their salary is counted in the salary cap. You can list as many veterans as you like but the discount you get for the salary decreases as the number of veterans increases. Two veterans get a 50% discount three vets get a 33 1/3 percent discount for four vets a 25% discount et cetera.

Whether a player is classed as an inside or outside veteran determines whether they counted as a player on the senior list. Outside veterans obviously means they are not on the senior list and hence you can include another player instead. Now that both Bolton and Goodes are inside vets means we have the stock standard 38 players on the senior list

[MarkD]

Personally,i would be happy if we picked up Fev as a rookie.Big bodied forward who knows how to kick straight.Would be good to have for a few years in the side, as Sam Reid develops.Fom all reports Fev is actually focused on doing all the right things to be a major success again. Go Bloods.

[liz]

It's hard to tell because you have to be very brief on Twitter but what exactly does this mean? Has Jack Lynch definitely been put on the rookie list? How about Jackson Potter (who was also a scholarship player IIRC) and Mitch Thompson (non scholarship but Academy)?

It is a bit confusing, isn't it. I think I mentioned on a different thread that I was surprised that Lynch appeared to have been excluded from rookie list considerations so early in the piece. I had thought his height and athleticism would make him a relatively attractive option. And so - now - it seems he is.

Presumably they are still mulling over Thompson and Potter. Maybe the two have been told they are battling it out for just one spot??

Don't spose anyone has a clue on whether we still get access to other NSW rookies as priority picks (apart from those nominated under the scholarship system), and if so, how this interacts with GWS' rights to NSW rookies? An article explaining the rookie entitlements and the different types of priorty access under scholarship, academy and old NSW rookie rules would make for really interesting reading.

[liz]

Thanks for the info Ugg...

Does that mean if one of the rookies plays out of his skin, we can move Goodes or B1 to the veterans list and play the rookie??

Not once final lodgement has happened. There is one more list lodgement date tomorrow but I am not sure if this is the final list lodgement prior to the PSD and rookie drafts, or if there is still one more opportunity to move players around. But Beatson was pretty emphatic in his post-draft interview that we wouldn't be participating in the PSD, which suggests the club has made its mind up to have both Goodes and Bolton as inside rookies.

Having no outside rookies does give the club the option of nominating up to two rookies who are eligible to play senior footy that season without waiting for a player to be put on the LTI list. I think the nomination date is just prior to the start of the season. And then all clubs (regardless of outside veterans) can nominate another rookie to play senior footy after the mid point of the season.

[707]

Jack Lynch has been officially nominated by the Swans as an intended NSW zone rookie in the upcoming Rookie Draft. We will take him with our last pick in the RD.

So I assume that is all the NSW boys we will pick up as rookies this year.

Ressie watchers, what can you tell us about Jack Lynch? I believe he had injury concerns this year.

[The Big Cat]

Personally,i would be happy if we picked up Fev as a rookie.Big bodied forward who knows how to kick straight.Would be good to have for a few years in the side, as Sam Reid develops.Fom all reports Fev is actually focused on doing all the right things to be a major success again. Go Bloods.

Why this fascination with a footballer who has the potential to rip the club asunder and would be a short term prospect anyway. The Swans ethos is built around the team. Fev's ethos, if there is one, is built around Fev.

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Jack Lynch has been officially nominated by the Swans as an intended NSW zone rookie in the upcoming Rookie Draft. We will take him with our last pick in the RD.

So I assume that is all the NSW boys we will pick up as rookies this year.

Ressie watchers, what can you tell us about Jack Lynch? I believe he had injury concerns this year.

He can play forward or back but has been primarily used in the backline in his 9 ressies games (not including the 3 practice games). Although he is tall (190ish), he plays more like a running defender and has good athleticism. He has filled out a lot in the past year, he was a skinny little thing 2 years ago, but like most draftees will still need a lot of bulking up to hold down a key position.

[TheGong]

From my understanding we are still able to pre-select three NSW zone players before the rookie draft. GWS can do the same. They select the first player, then the Swans, then GWS etc.. I suppose we could pick Potter, Thompson and Cunningham this way. What advantage this has over selecting Potter as a scholarship rookie I can't guess.

[BSA5]

It is a bit confusing, isn't it. I think I mentioned on a different thread that I was surprised that Lynch appeared to have been excluded from rookie list considerations so early in the piece. I had thought his height and athleticism would make him a relatively attractive option. And so - now - it seems he is.

Presumably they are still mulling over Thompson and Potter. Maybe the two have been told they are battling it out for just one spot??

Don't spose anyone has a clue on whether we still get access to other NSW rookies as priority picks (apart from those nominated under the scholarship system), and if so, how this interacts with GWS' rights to NSW rookies? An article explaining the rookie entitlements and the different types of priorty access under scholarship, academy and old NSW rookie rules would make for really interesting reading.

I'm interested in this as well, especially with regard to Cunningham. Lynch has been added as a NSW Scholarship player, but can Cunningham be preselected as a NSW Zone rookie?

[liz]

I'm interested in this as well, especially with regard to Cunningham. Lynch has been added as a NSW Scholarship player, but can Cunningham be preselected as a NSW Zone rookie?

Assuming TheGong is correct in his post above (ie we still have access to NSW priority rookie picks) then presumably Cunningham can, though it sounds like GWS have first dibs on him. It is hard to fathom the advantage of picking Potter in this way, rather than as a scholarship player unless

a) they are still making their mind up; or
b) there is a limit to how many scholarship players we can take as rookies in any one year.

Of course, the club may already have decided not to take him and hence haven't nominated him by today's deadline.

b) doesn't seem to make sense because I am pretty sure other clubs have put as many as three scholarship players onto their rookie lists in any one season. For instance, I think the Hawks did last year. They certainly put two onto their rookie list.