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  • top40
    Regular in the Side
    • May 2007
    • 933

    Best XX11 for 2012

    I was thinking about the best possible Swans side for 2012. Rather than worrying about key positions, (except the ruck-sorry Mark Seaby), I have provided rankings. The first 17 players are all certainties in my opinion if fully fit. The remaining 4 positions with a 5th being the sub, are in my view reflected from a pool of 11 players. Hope to read lots of responses.

    Certainties: the top 17

    1. Adam Goodes
    2. Rhyce Shaw
    3. Josh Kennedy
    4. Ryan O?Keefe
    5. Ted Richards
    6. Nick Smith
    7. Daniel Hannebery
    8. Shane Mumford
    9. Ben McGlynn
    10. Jarrad McVeigh
    11. Jude Bolton
    12. Sam Reid
    13. Kieren Jack
    14. Luke Parker
    15. Matty Mattner
    16. Heath Grundy
    17. Gary Rohan

    In the running: 4 and a 5th sub to pick out of 11
    1. Alex Johnson
    2. Craig Bird
    3. Lewis Roberts-Thompson
    4. Lewis Jetta
    5. Tony Armstrong
    6. Nick Malcelski
    7. Jesse White
    8. Jarrad Moore
    9. Matt Spangher
    10. Trent Dennis-Lane
    11. Mitch Morton

    Not in the running:
    1. Mark Seaby
    2. Tommy Walsh
    3. Andrejs Everitt
    4. Tom Mitchell
    5. Brett Meredith
    6. Jed Lamb
    7. Nathan Gordon
  • liz
    Veteran
    Site Admin
    • Jan 2003
    • 16772

    #2
    Don't understand your rankings. By putting Goodes at the top, I take it you are saying he is the first player picked? If so, surely Mumford is the second player picked.

    I also think we have to allow for changes in form compared to 2011. While it would take a drastic change in form for the likes of Goodes, Mumford, ROK and a few others not to remain in the best 22, there are others who are either at the start of their careers or coming towards the end who could easily find themselves pushed out of or into contention for a best 22 spot. Lamb and Mitchell are certainly two of the younger brigade who we hope will be staking their claim, while the club wouldn't have pursued Walsh if they hadn't thought him also capable of pushing for a semi-permanent role in the forward line. (I see him as competing with White, although he doesn't offer the ruck flexibility that White provides.)

    I also think that we have 4 tall defenders and probably 3 "best 22" spots available. I think it is very hard to predict which out of the 4 is most likely to find themselves in the top 3. I certainly wouldn't be separating LRT from Reg or Ted quite so soon. LRT offers extra height compared to those two and if he is fit, could force one of them out of the team.

    I also think Parker is far from being a lock in the best 22. Bird is probably not quite a lock but I'd say he is closer to it on exposed form than Parker is.

    And poor Mike Pyke doesn't even exist!!
    Last edited by liz; 24 November 2011, 05:12 PM.

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    • Big Al
      Veterans List
      • Feb 2005
      • 7007

      #3
      Originally posted by top40
      I was thinking about the best possible Swans side for 2012. Rather than worrying about key positions, (except the ruck-sorry Mark Seaby), I have provided rankings. The first 17 players are all certainties in my opinion if fully fit. The remaining 4 positions with a 5th being the sub, are in my view reflected from a pool of 11 players. Hope to read lots of responses.

      Certainties: the top 17

      1. Adam Goodes
      2. Rhyce Shaw
      3. Josh Kennedy
      4. Ryan O?Keefe
      5. Ted Richards
      6. Nick Smith
      7. Daniel Hannebery
      8. Shane Mumford
      9. Ben McGlynn
      10. Jarrad McVeigh
      11. Jude Bolton
      12. Sam Reid
      13. Kieren Jack
      14. Luke Parker
      15. Matty Mattner
      16. Heath Grundy
      17. Gary Rohan

      In the running: 4 and a 5th sub to pick out of 11
      1. Alex Johnson
      2. Craig Bird
      3. Lewis Roberts-Thompson
      4. Lewis Jetta
      5. Tony Armstrong
      6. Nick Malcelski
      7. Jesse White
      8. Jarrad Moore
      9. Matt Spangher
      10. Trent Dennis-Lane
      11. Mitch Morton

      Not in the running:
      1. Mark Seaby
      2. Tommy Walsh
      3. Andrejs Everitt
      4. Tom Mitchell
      5. Brett Meredith
      6. Jed Lamb
      7. Nathan Gordon
      I commend the effort put into this Top40.

      -However Jed Lamb at 6 in the not in the running rankings is IMO, way off. Chop's is going to be a star.

      -Pyke needs to be in the running.

      - Mumford needs to be 2nd of 3rd

      Apart from that I can't really fault the other rankings.
      ..And the Swans are the Premiers...The Ultimate Team...The Ultimate Warriors. They have overcome the highly fancied Hawks in brilliant style. Sydney the 2012 Premiers - Gerard Whately ABC

      Here it is Again! - Huddo SEN

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      • Bloody Hell
        Senior Player
        • Oct 2006
        • 3085

        #4
        Good effort.

        IMO Wrong groupings:

        Pyke
        Walsh
        Moore
        Mitchell
        Lamb
        Johnson

        And I think LRT, Grundy and Ted will be fighting for 2 spots.
        The eternal connundrum "what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object" was finally solved when David Hasselhoff punched himself in the face.

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        • top40
          Regular in the Side
          • May 2007
          • 933

          #5
          Originally posted by liz
          Don't understand your rankings. By putting Goodes at the top, I take it you are saying he is the first player picked? If so, surely Mumford is the second player picked.

          I also think we have to allow for changes in form compared to 2011. While it would take a drastic change in form for the likes of Goodes, Mumford, ROK and a few others not to remain in the best 22, there are others who are either at the start of their careers or coming towards the end who could easily find themselves pushed out of or into contention for a best 22 spot. Lamb and Mitchell are certainly two of the younger brigade who we hope will be staking their claim, while the club wouldn't have pursued Walsh if they hadn't thought him also capable of pushing for a semi-permanent role in the forward line. (I see him as competing with White, although he doesn't offer the ruck flexibility that White provides.)

          I also think that we have 4 tall defenders and probably 3 "best 22" spots available. I think it is very hard to predict which out of the 4 is most likely to find themselves in the top 3. I certainly wouldn't be separating LRT from Reg or Ted quite so soon. LRT offers extra height compared to those two and if he is fit, could force one of them out of the team.

          I also think Parker is far from being a lock in the best 22. Bird is probably not quite a lock but I'd say he is closer to it on exposed form than Parker is.

          And poor Mike Pyke doesn't even exist!!
          Looking very closely, the top ten rankings were this year's the B and F top 10. Nevertheless, I am not too hang up about the rankings within the three categories. Embarrassingly I did forget Mike Pyke, sorry Mike. I would still put Mike Pyke for fairly obviously reasons in the third category.

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          • liz
            Veteran
            Site Admin
            • Jan 2003
            • 16772

            #6
            Originally posted by top40
            Embarrassingly I did forget Mike Pyke, sorry Mike. I would still put Mike Pyke for fairly obviously reasons in the third category.
            I would put Pyke firmly in the second category. I think he is in direct competition with Jesse for a spot as the second ruckman cum forward. If he hadn't been injured I think Jesse might have had fewer opportunities in 2011 than he got, especially at the back end of the season. Pyke will probably be more effective in the ruck than Jesse (notwithstanding that Jesse did markedly improve in that department in the last few weeks). It comes down to how closely he can match Jesse's effectiveness as a forward.

            Of course, someone like Spangher or Walsh could well establish themselves as a genuinely dangerous tall foil for Reid in the forward line. But the team still needs a makeshift ruckman somewhere in the best 22.

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            • Captain
              Captain of the Side
              • Feb 2004
              • 3602

              #7
              Damn we have a solid list with depth. That's certainly what I have learnt from this!

              Also, please don't write off LRT.

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              • BSA5
                Senior Player
                • Feb 2008
                • 2522

                #8
                Originally posted by top40
                I was thinking about the best possible Swans side for 2012. Rather than worrying about key positions, (except the ruck-sorry Mark Seaby), I have provided rankings. The first 17 players are all certainties in my opinion if fully fit. The remaining 4 positions with a 5th being the sub, are in my view reflected from a pool of 11 players. Hope to read lots of responses.

                Certainties: the top 17

                1. Adam Goodes
                2. Rhyce Shaw
                3. Josh Kennedy
                4. Ryan O?Keefe
                5. Ted Richards
                6. Nick Smith
                7. Daniel Hannebery
                8. Shane Mumford
                9. Ben McGlynn
                10. Jarrad McVeigh
                11. Jude Bolton
                12. Sam Reid
                13. Kieren Jack
                14. Luke Parker
                15. Matty Mattner
                16. Heath Grundy
                17. Gary Rohan

                In the running: 4 and a 5th sub to pick out of 11
                1. Alex Johnson
                2. Craig Bird
                3. Lewis Roberts-Thompson
                4. Lewis Jetta
                5. Tony Armstrong
                6. Nick Malcelski
                7. Jesse White
                8. Jarrad Moore
                9. Matt Spangher
                10. Trent Dennis-Lane
                11. Mitch Morton

                Not in the running:
                1. Mark Seaby
                2. Tommy Walsh
                3. Andrejs Everitt
                4. Tom Mitchell
                5. Brett Meredith
                6. Jed Lamb
                7. Nathan Gordon
                Nice work, except that IMO, barring injury (or simply horrendous preseason form), Walsh will line up at FF Rd 1. The reason we chased him so hard, and the reason he was so keen to come to us, is because we see a place for him at FF. Mark it down, Walsh will be considered best 18 next year, at least to begin with.

                Also, Parker is very much in the "in the running" group. I'd probably also put Mattner and even Rohan there. Tom Mitchell will be in the running as well, he's physically ready to play, the only obstacle is his shoulders. I'd say Jarred Moore isn't in the running at the moment; he's got to prove he has the fitness and speed (training with Matt Shirvington atm) to play at senior level, which means busting a gut in the ressies for a while.

                Also, PYYYYYKE! I'd have him at least in the second category, and possibly first. He's better than White, and if he hadn't been injured for most of last season he'd have played a lot more games. He's a perfect 2nd ruckman/forward.
                Officially on the Reid and Sumner bandwagon!

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                • wolftone57
                  Veterans List
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 5857

                  #9
                  I disagree with you Liz I think Parker is definitely in our top 22. I also think they could turn Jesse into a defender quite easily. People are saying don't write LRT off just yet but I think he has been retained because he epitomizes what this club is all about. He would die for the jumper. Several players need to be more consistent this year as I think they depth is very good and they will need to perform to keep their place. Ryano, Shawie, Marty, Benny, Macca (although understandable last season), Bird and even Bolts need to be a little more consistent to hold their spots.

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                  • Jewels
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Oct 2006
                    • 3258

                    #10
                    Originally posted by wolftone57
                    I disagree with you Liz I think Parker is definitely in our top 22. I also think they could turn Jesse into a defender quite easily. People are saying don't write LRT off just yet but I think he has been retained because he epitomizes what this club is all about. He would die for the jumper. Several players need to be more consistent this year as I think they depth is very good and they will need to perform to keep their place. Ryano, Shawie, Marty, Benny, Macca (although understandable last season), Bird and even Bolts need to be a little more consistent to hold their spots.
                    I think you're being a bit tough on Rhycie there, he was wonderful this season as shown by him coming second in the Skilton.

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                    • jono2707
                      Goes up to 11
                      • Oct 2007
                      • 3326

                      #11
                      Originally posted by wolftone57
                      I disagree with you Liz I think Parker is definitely in our top 22. I also think they could turn Jesse into a defender quite easily. People are saying don't write LRT off just yet but I think he has been retained because he epitomizes what this club is all about. He would die for the jumper. Several players need to be more consistent this year as I think they depth is very good and they will need to perform to keep their place. Ryano, Shawie, Marty, Benny, Macca (although understandable last season), Bird and even Bolts need to be a little more consistent to hold their spots.
                      Oh get real - the 5 players you've mentioned above are pretty much the backbone of the team and are the reason we are so tough. I agree with a fair bit of what you have to say but this one is waaaaaay off the mark.

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                      • Auntie.Gerald
                        Veterans List
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 6480

                        #12
                        Spang, White, Mcglynn
                        ROK, Reid, Macca

                        Shaw
                        Mummy
                        Jude
                        Jack
                        Kennedy
                        Goodes

                        Smithy, Grundy, AJ
                        Mattner, Teddy, Armstrong

                        Bench:
                        19.Rohan
                        20.Hannes
                        21.Parker
                        22.Morton or Lamb?

                        The amazing thing is that only 5 from the 38 players listed so far have not played Seniors - and 2 of that 5 were drafted in 2011 anyway !!........the depth is very exciting

                        So the players under pressure I have put in RED. I think Walsh could take on Spangs role and I think White they will persist with initially if he has a good pre season and NAB. Armstrong for me is a walk in and I dont know who will get the nod for spot 22 ie TDL, Jetta, Nipper, Tom Mitchell, Birdy, Mal etc could all fight Lamb and Morton for that spot

                        The only reason I went with Morton or Lamb initially is because we need to persist with a genuine goal kicker medium small forward coming from the bench to replace ROK, Bolton, Macca - we need more goals and these two can kick them !
                        "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                        • Gezball
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Mar 2010
                          • 244

                          #13
                          Great list.

                          I would've put Alex J in the first category

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                          • Full Forward
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Oct 2011
                            • 31

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                            Spang, White, Mcglynn
                            ROK, Reid, Macca

                            Shaw
                            Mummy
                            Jude
                            Jack
                            Kennedy
                            Goodes

                            Smithy, Grundy, AJ
                            Mattner, Teddy, Armstrong

                            Bench:
                            19.Rohan
                            20.Hannes
                            21.Parker
                            Shaw came 2nd in the BF playing in the back half.

                            I would think Shaw for Armstrong in the back line and Hanners in the 18 would be stronger.

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                            • SPC
                              Pushing for Selection
                              • Jan 2011
                              • 95

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
                              Spang, White, Mcglynn
                              ROK, Reid, Macca

                              Shaw
                              Mummy
                              Jude
                              Jack
                              Kennedy
                              Goodes

                              Smithy, Grundy, AJ
                              Mattner, Teddy, Armstrong

                              Bench:
                              19.Rohan
                              20.Hannes
                              21.Parker
                              22.Morton or Lamb?

                              The amazing thing is that only 5 from the 38 players listed so far have not played Seniors - and 2 of that 5 were drafted in 2011 anyway !!........the depth is very exciting

                              So the players under pressure I have put in RED. I think Walsh could take on Spangs role and I think White they will persist with initially if he has a good pre season and NAB. Armstrong for me is a walk in and I dont know who will get the nod for spot 22 ie TDL, Jetta, Nipper, Tom Mitchell, Birdy, Mal etc could all fight Lamb and Morton for that spot

                              The only reason I went with Morton or Lamb initially is because we need to persist with a genuine goal kicker medium small forward coming from the bench to replace ROK, Bolton, Macca - we need more goals and these two can kick them !
                              I agree with you AG on the make up of best team, especially ROK & Macca in forward line, however I would swap Jude & McGlynn. ROK, Macca & Judes best days in the midfield are behind them, but they can all kick goals and thats what we need up front.

                              Walsh/Sprangher & Pyke/White will fight out the 2nd & 3rd tall positions up front with Reid.

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