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  • GongSwan
    Senior Player
    • Jan 2009
    • 1362

    Originally posted by Nico
    McVeigh will go back to cover the loss of Smith as the small backline tagger, with Everitt to play up forward or even relieve Mumford in the ruck in the forward line.
    This seems a likely scenario. If we're going to put him on the park, stick Everitt out on awing or HF. Don't think he'd last long in the ruck
    You can't argue with a sick mind - Joe Walsh

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    • ernie koala
      Senior Player
      • May 2007
      • 3251

      Originally posted by GongSwan
      This seems a likely scenario. If we're going to put him on the park, stick Everitt out on awing or HF. Don't think he'd last long in the ruck
      Better still....make him the sub.
      He filled this role quite well last year a couple of times.
      Given his versatility, and inability to play 4 good quarters, it makes sense to me.
      Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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      • Nico
        Veterans List
        • Jan 2003
        • 11350

        With Everitt in does that tell us the Morton is not travelling too well.
        http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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        • Melbourne_Blood
          Senior Player
          • May 2010
          • 3312

          From the reports from the reserves watchers and the Swans website, he's not exaclty setting the NEAFL on fire.

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          • wolftone57
            Veterans List
            • Aug 2008
            • 5864

            Originally posted by Wazza
            I think you have to have ROK in there and probably McGlynn??

            Waz
            Agree ROK can play there but we will soon have to look at the replacement for ROK as he will probably retire at the end of the year. TDL needs to get a go soon but they need to start playing him forward in the 2's. I think there is still room for specialist forwards in this game where everyone is expected to be flexible. IMO they are not making the game any better with this attitude on flexibility. I would like to see forwards kick a bag and not too many do today due to lack of specialist forwards.

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            • ernie koala
              Senior Player
              • May 2007
              • 3251

              Originally posted by Nico
              With Everitt in does that tell us the Morton is not travelling too well.
              Yep.
              He's a Richmond discard, which doesn't fill one with confidence, but IMO worth a gamble, in the hope that the penny might drop for him..... but a real tester of the Swans famed recycling success.
              Has shown little so far, and the signs aren't great. But he does need to be given some time
              Last edited by ernie koala; 13 April 2012, 01:35 PM.
              Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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              • barry
                Veterans List
                • Jan 2003
                • 8499

                On one of those footy shows they were saying that the 2012 style of play (post press apparently) is to have a strong boddied forward and bomb it long to him.

                The only strong bodied forward we have is J. White. Maybe the game has changed to suit him.

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                • wolftone57
                  Veterans List
                  • Aug 2008
                  • 5864

                  Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                  From the reports from the reserves watchers and the Swans website, he's not exaclty setting the NEAFL on fire.
                  Yes well another specialist forward playing back flank. No wonder he isn't doing that well. Why bother getting him to fill a forward gap if we are going to play him back flank? Just seems silly to me! This year anyone who is a forward has been playing anywhere but in the 2's. TDL=on ball & HB, Morton=HB, Lamb=Wing, HB some HF. Jesse has played FF but with a ruck role. Walsh played FF last week but for a few weeks played back & forward. It is a wonder these blokes are bloody confused, I know I am. Put them in their posies and let them get a bit of form for Christ's sake! Stop shifting them around every 5 seconds. By the way Nipper has played on ball nearly so far except when they decided he needed to play back as punishment for @@@@ delivery. Why the hell would you put a bloke in the backline if he is butchering the ball? Beyond me! I thought the idea was not to leak goals and try to score more than the other mob.

                  We are not going to get the best out of our players in the 2's with this sort of coaching. I don't know what Jarred Crouch is trying to achieve but it sure as hell is not working. Good players are playing very average games and at times just look confused out there. You are not going to turn a natural forward into a backman, it just ain't gonna work so stop trying! If this is about forward pressure he can learn it playing forward just by being dragged and given an earful every time he doesn't do it.

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                  • ernie koala
                    Senior Player
                    • May 2007
                    • 3251

                    Originally posted by wolftone57
                    I think there is still room for specialist forwards in this game where everyone is expected to be flexible. IMO they are not making the game any better with this attitude on flexibility. I would like to see forwards kick a bag and not too many do today due to lack of specialist forwards.
                    There are plenty of specialist forwards, they just don't have the space they use to have, it's either crowded or empty.
                    And often they find themselves up on the opposition 50 guarding space.
                    No doubt this style will be temporary as every other before it has.
                    Flexibility will always be an asset.
                    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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                    • Hartijon
                      On the Rookie List
                      • May 2008
                      • 1536

                      Originally posted by wolftone57
                      Yes well another specialist forward playing back flank. No wonder he isn't doing that well. Why bother getting him to fill a forward gap if we are going to play him back flank? Just seems silly to me! This year anyone who is a forward has been playing anywhere but in the 2's. TDL=on ball & HB, Morton=HB, Lamb=Wing, HB some HF. Jesse has played FF but with a ruck role. Walsh played FF last week but for a few weeks played back & forward. It is a wonder these blokes are bloody confused, I know I am. Put them in their posies and let them get a bit of form for Christ's sake! Stop shifting them around every 5 seconds. By the way Nipper has played on ball nearly so far except when they decided he needed to play back as punishment for @@@@ delivery. Why the hell would you put a bloke in the backline if he is butchering the ball? Beyond me! I thought the idea was not to leak goals and try to score more than the other mob.

                      We are not going to get the best out of our players in the 2's with this sort of coaching. I don't know what Jarred Crouch is trying to achieve but it sure as hell is not working. Good players are playing very average games and at times just look confused out there. You are not going to turn a natural forward into a backman, it just ain't gonna work so stop trying! If this is about forward pressure he can learn it playing forward just by being dragged and given an earful every time he doesn't do it.
                      Your quite White! If ever it was obvious before,it is certainly obvious now.I fear the Power could beat this team with selections as lame as my post!

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                      • Gary
                        Regular in the Side
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 608

                        Morton...Everitt...Walsh...strange decisions...if you have observed Morton over the years he makes Richards at Essendon look like a champion. I could proceed from that point to say that we should give Morton time...but remember it took Teddy a long time to look pretty good (not great)...I don't think Morton has it in him...and we haven't got time to wait anyway!

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                        • Melbourne_Blood
                          Senior Player
                          • May 2010
                          • 3312

                          Tell that to Leo Barry, Heath Grundy, perhaps Chris Tarrant too. I see where your coming from, but at least in the case of Walsh, i wouldnt say he has a 'natural' position as yet so trying him back and forward makes sense to me. Whatever shoe fits ... In the case of the smaller guys, perhaps it is a case of the coaches saying we know you can kick a goal, but do you have the tank to run out a game of AFL intensity as a forward whilst also providing a chop-out in the midfield ? Possiblly while shoring up the defensive aspects of their game too. As to Morton, from what i gathered he's been tried back after being a little underwhelming up forward in a game where we smoked the opposition ( UWS ). Its two games in, I'm sure he'll get another go up forward. It is also possible he just aint up to AFL standard anymore . He's only ever been at best, a patchy yet talented forward with flashes of individual brilliance. I guess we'll have to wait and see.

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                          • Hartijon
                            On the Rookie List
                            • May 2008
                            • 1536

                            Originally posted by Gary
                            Morton...Everitt...Walsh...strange decisions...if you have observed Morton over the years he makes Richards at Essendon look like a champion. I could proceed from that point to say that we should give Morton time...but remember it took Teddy a long time to look pretty good (not great)...I don't think Morton has it in him...and we haven't got time to wait anyway!
                            Play Morton in the backlines.Why should he get special treatment? In fact play the whole team in the backlines...oh hang on there is already a game that does that.Thats why I prefer watching AFL to NRL.There is nothing more exciting in both codes however than the brilliant attacking player who can kick goals or score tries. I am looking forward to one day having a Swannies outfit that can support such players so we don't get one defensive grind after another.

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                            • ShockOfHair
                              One Man Out
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 3668

                              Originally posted by wolftone57
                              Yes well another specialist forward playing back flank. No wonder he isn't doing that well. Why bother getting him to fill a forward gap if we are going to play him back flank? Just seems silly to me! This year anyone who is a forward has been playing anywhere but in the 2's. TDL=on ball & HB, Morton=HB, Lamb=Wing, HB some HF. Jesse has played FF but with a ruck role. Walsh played FF last week but for a few weeks played back & forward. It is a wonder these blokes are bloody confused, I know I am. Put them in their posies and let them get a bit of form for Christ's sake! Stop shifting them around every 5 seconds. By the way Nipper has played on ball nearly so far except when they decided he needed to play back as punishment for @@@@ delivery. Why the hell would you put a bloke in the backline if he is butchering the ball? Beyond me! I thought the idea was not to leak goals and try to score more than the other mob.

                              We are not going to get the best out of our players in the 2's with this sort of coaching. I don't know what Jarred Crouch is trying to achieve but it sure as hell is not working. Good players are playing very average games and at times just look confused out there. You are not going to turn a natural forward into a backman, it just ain't gonna work so stop trying! If this is about forward pressure he can learn it playing forward just by being dragged and given an earful every time he doesn't do it.
                              Wow, you've missed a lot in the last 18 months! Since the sub rule came in, multitasking is the name of the game. Of our best 22, apart from the KPPs, just about every player fills multiple roles. eg, Bolton, ROK, Bird, McGlynn, Jetta, Goodes = mid/forward. Shaw, Melcho = HB/mid. LRT/Spangher = ruck/forward.

                              Read the ressie watchers reports and you'll none of them rate Morton so far. Why not play him up back to give him a chance to prove himself and maybe find some form?
                              The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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                              • wolftone57
                                Veterans List
                                • Aug 2008
                                • 5864

                                Originally posted by ShockOfHair
                                Wow, you've missed a lot in the last 18 months! Since the sub rule came in, multitasking is the name of the game. Of our best 22, apart from the KPPs, just about every player fills multiple roles. eg, Bolton, ROK, Bird, McGlynn, Jetta, Goodes = mid/forward. Shaw, Melcho = HB/mid. LRT/Spangher = ruck/forward.

                                Read the ressie watchers reports and you'll none of them rate Morton so far. Why not play him up back to give him a chance to prove himself and maybe find some form?
                                Morton will never prove himself in the back half so we might as well just kick him out now. The sub rule is over rated as a tool for flexability. The idea because you take one full time player off the bench you suddenly need to start playing Buddy at full back is crap. We had 20 players for a lot of years, before your time obviously, and had specialist players. The Hawks, Pies, Cats, Eagles still do have specialists and they just seem to be where on the ladder in the last few years?

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