Should Moore be our specialist sub?

[barry]

We seem to not get much out of our subs this year. Malceski did nothing when coming on, following a long tradition of nothing-ness from other subs like Everitt over the year.

Why not use Moore as a permanent sub. He is a great impact player, and can concentrate his fitness for at most a half of footy. Could even change his training to suit. ?

He's unlikely to break into the 22 any other way.

[Hartijon]

I thought Armstrong started very well and had an impact that waned as the game went on.He might be the player who can come on as substitute with a quarter to go and really burn up the track.Moore has everything except speed and unfortunately the speed of the game is too fast for him now.

[GongSwan]

I'd rather see young players given the sub vest, we need to blood a few more youngsters and the sub is the ideal way, Harry or Biggs

[ABloodsMan]

Don't even want to imagine how badly Moore would have done in the last with the pace Essendon were playing at.

[ScottH]

Don't even want to imagine how badly Moore would have done in the last with the pace Essendon were playing at.

Bird is no speedster, and he did alright.

[ernie koala]

I'd rather see young players given the sub vest, we need to blood a few more youngsters and the sub is the ideal way, Harry or Biggs

I totally disagree with this.
IMO being a sub means being able to come on to the ground and immediately have an impact.
It's a lot to ask of a rookie, to come in at any given time during a game, pick up the pace of the game, and have a positive impact .....
I think it's a very difficult role to play well, and has yet to be perfected by anyone on a consistent basis.
Much more chance of success with a player who has had recent, senior game, exposure.
I like the idea of making it a specialist role, with a group of periphery players rotating through the role, depending on opposition etc.
I'd certainly have Moore in this group.

[swansrule100]

The best sub was rohan but if fit he starts anyway.

I hate the stupid sub rule, i know most love it.

If moore plays seniors again the team must be struggling, his afl career is done

[GoSouth33]

I think Moore deserves to be playing first grade somewhere. The kindest thing we could do is release him. Surely he would be an asset to any of the bottom eight teams.

[sfan]

No to being the sub. Not enough impact with his style of play. No trade value either.

[barry]

As I said in my OP, I think the sub will become a specialised position. Ideal for a older player who cant make the starting 22. Ideally midfield or small forward. And someone who can tailor and dedicate their fitness and game plan to bursts of a quarter or at most a half. (If you need to sub before that, then you'll just have to manage his rotations).

Worth exploring. Sub as a stepping stone to senior selection is a waste in my opinion. Put them in the starting 22, and if they really fail badly, then the specialist sub subs-in to replace them.

[GongSwan]

So when Jude is 34 he'll be the ideal sub? Good way to get an extra year out of the old coot i suppose lol But if you look at how Parker was brought into the team..............

[sharp9]

Moore would have been perfect IMO.....terrific user of the footy, brilliant at breaking tackles and making them. his pressure would have been just what we needed. Very level head...has won a couple of games last minute for us and deserves another go.

[dimelb]

I totally disagree with this.
IMO being a sub means being able to come on to the ground and immediately have an impact.
It's a lot to ask of a rookie, to come in at any given time during a game, pick up the pace of the game, and have a positive impact .....
I think it's a very difficult role to play well, and has yet to be perfected by anyone on a consistent basis.
Much more chance of success with a player who has had recent, senior game, exposure.
I like the idea of making it a specialist role, with a group of periphery players rotating through the role, depending on opposition etc.
I'd certainly have Moore in this group.

I like this approach. And I would certainly include Moore in such a group, and would have had him in last night in front of either Andres or Mal. I am aware how fast Essendon were in the last quarter, but I suspect it was amplified by our exhaustion; a fresh Moore would, I think, have had a real impact.
And I'm happy with the idea that his real future is coaching, I was among the first to suggest it, but let's make the most of what he has to offer now. He is a very clever player, strong-bodied, good tackler, good distributor, fine reader of the game. A bit more 1sts experience would benefit everyone.

[Alan]

The only problem with the sub being a specialist role, if a serious injury occurs and your sub is not suited to the role being played by the injured player. If you remember back to Jetta's first year he was the sub on many occasions and came on and burnt the house down with speed...he was let off the chain, so to speak. It seemed a good way to introduce a new talent.

[barry]

The only problem with the sub being a specialist role, if a serious injury occurs and your sub is not suited to the role being played by the injured player. If you remember back to Jetta's first year he was the sub on many occasions and came on and burnt the house down with speed...he was let off the chain, so to speak. It seemed a good way to introduce a new talent.

Our sub against Essendon was Malceski. How would he cover the role of ruckman, key forward or midfielder ?.
The most sucessful subs weve seen are generally midfielders.

Its not so much covering injuries (which you cant cover all bases anyway), its about making the sub the most effective. A specialised impact player is what its all about. You can cover injuries with a re-shuffle of existing players. What the sub is designed for is that you can still complete your rotations through the bench.