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  • goswannie14
    Leadership Group
    • Sep 2005
    • 11166

    #16
    Originally posted by Lucky Knickers
    Liz I'm not sure I agree with your umpiring sentiments ??but find myself in complete accord about the team performing significant acts in that final quarter.
    Reg was excellent: punch out in a contest with Hawkins on the wing. Tackle on wojo (iirc) and taking the candy from wojo halting 3 Geelong attacks.
    I'm with you on the umpiring. There were some abysmal decisions, the worst being the Goodes "play on" and the equivalent Geelong one which was given to them as a 50 metre penalty. Selwood still manages to get a couple of high contact frees each week even when he ducks into them. All in all a pretty ordinary night from the boys in green......McInerny was the worst of them.
    Does God believe in Atheists?

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    • sprite
      Regular in the Side
      • Jan 2003
      • 813

      #17
      The umpire got Goodes decision correct - Goodes didn't fake the movement - he actually made the movement by attempting to handball. This is a separate anad new act of play - therefore playon - he was tackled and failed to dispose correctly.

      Conversely - Reid a bit stiff - as the player had moved off his line during Reid approaching the mark which was missed, either a play on or reset the mark should have been the call
      sprite

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      • goswannie14
        Leadership Group
        • Sep 2005
        • 11166

        #18
        Originally posted by sprite
        The umpire got Goodes decision correct - Goodes didn't fake the movement - he actually made the movement by attempting to handball. This is a separate anad new act of play - therefore playon - he was tackled and failed to dispose correctly.

        Conversely - Reid a bit stiff - as the player had moved off his line during Reid approaching the mark which was missed, either a play on or reset the mark should have been the call
        Goodes may have feigned the handball, but he hadn't moved off his line. Usually that would not be called as play on.
        Does God believe in Atheists?

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        • ScottH
          It's Goodes to cheer!!
          • Sep 2003
          • 23665

          #19
          Originally posted by Lucky Knickers
          Liz I'm not sure I agree with your umpiring sentiments ??but find myself in complete accord about the team performing significant acts in that final quarter.
          Reg was excellent: punch out in a contest with Hawkins on the wing. Tackle on wojo (iirc) and taking the candy from wojo halting 3 Geelong attacks.
          The wojo snare was a matter of inches and made a huge impact. They were away at that point.

          I thought the umpiring went our way for most of the night. 22-14 suggests that too.

          Originally posted by goswannie14
          Goodes may have feigned the handball, but he hadn't moved off his line. Usually that would not be called as play on.
          That is what I thought, he never moved off his line. I think the ump called play on prematurely, assuming he had handballed.

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          • barry
            Veterans List
            • Jan 2003
            • 8499

            #20
            I have a theory on the late fade outs. They seem to have started when we decided to play two ruckmen (Pyke and Mummy). This gives us less midfield rotations, and even more so when our sub is also not a midfielder.

            Could be a bit underdone too. I'd be concerned if it keeps happening, because there is not excuse for a lack of fitness.

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            • erica
              Happy and I know it
              • Jan 2008
              • 1247

              #21
              I'd rather have a goal blitz in the first half and a fadeout than letting the opposition have the goal blitz followed by us playing catch up the rest of the night. That's the way it used to be and it was a really difficult way to win games.
              All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. - Edmund Burke

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              • SwansFan1972
                On the Rookie List
                • Nov 2008
                • 621

                #22
                Originally posted by goswannie14
                Goodes may have feigned the handball, but he hadn't moved off his line. Usually that would not be called as play on.
                Agree. If that is play on, then anyone marking the ball better keep it nice and tight to the bod and not show it at all.

                Compared to the one where Reid was pinged, the umpire has called Goodesy play on in a nano second, and gave the Geelong player a couple of steps and seconds moving off his line with no call. Something wasn't right!

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                • Kirkari
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 1036

                  #23
                  Originally posted by erica
                  I'd rather have a goal blitz in the first half and a fadeout than letting the opposition have the goal blitz followed by us playing catch up the rest of the night. That's the way it used to be and it was a really difficult way to win games.
                  Absolutely. Love the fast starts we've been making, and I don't believe any team should be going out with a game plan to not wear themselves out too early. We have to take every opportunity early, and back ourselves to be able to maintain the pace. With the exception of the obvious players coming off injuries, I don't see much difference in our fitness to that of our opposition. Even if that was happening, the answer is to increase fitness, not attempt to slow play in the first quarter. Crazy talk!

                  And Goodes was absolutely robbed. I think the umpire was as sucked in as the opposition player.
                  Superman still wears Brett Kirk Pyjamas

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                  • dimelb
                    pr. dim-melb; m not f
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 6889

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Kirkari
                    ...
                    And Goodes was absolutely robbed. I think the umpire was as sucked in as the opposition player.
                    The Hun agrees with you. We can't make links now, but it was in their "If You Don't Mind" snippet.
                    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                    • wolftone57
                      Veterans List
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 5872

                      #25
                      Originally posted by erica
                      I think the umpiring in general (not just Swans games) this year has been poor. So much happens on the field that the umpires simply do not see. Are they in the wrong positions too often?
                      Not just poor, disgraceful more like! The interpretation of 'Holding the ball' is a travesty and must make ball players think twice about getting the pill. The allowing of play to go on until there is a dangerous scrimmage is just diabolical. How many injuries from those packs does it take for the AFL to get the umpires to ball up immediately a pack develops. The push in the back rule is being interpreted by whistle happy umpires who misinterpret a side push for a back push. The umpires don't even get on the right side of contests to read the play either, they are too often caught either in the play or on the wrong side.

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                      • jono2707
                        Goes up to 11
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 3326

                        #26
                        I think in such an even competition, teams like Geelong, Essendon and most others are going to come back if they start a game poorly. Most of the teams are pretty evenly matched and there aren't many blowouts against these sorts of teams, but more see-sawing battles. In these sorts of cases the teams with a superior mental edge, a fighting spirit and a winning mentality often come through with the 4 points. I dont mind if we don't play 4 quarters, or even 3 or 2, if we end up ahead when it counts. These close games do wonders for building self-belief and mental toughness too, which can come in handy in September.

                        Oh, and by the way, supporters of all teams moan about the umpiring. Cats fans certainly were too after Friday night. The best ones were those on Facebook saying that the SCG is not up to AFL standard as its too small, and therefore an unfair advantage to the Swans!

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                        • swansrule100
                          The quarterback
                          • May 2004
                          • 4538

                          #27
                          the finishes need some work but do not overly concern me. We let 2 good sides back in, not like they are rubbish and we fought out and won which is a great sign too.

                          I think there is so much ebb and flow in this comp at least between the top 12 or so teams. If you can get an awesome start u will win a lot, the other team spends so much energy just to catch up
                          Theres not much left to say

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                          • wolftone57
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 5872

                            #28
                            Originally posted by barry
                            I have a theory on the late fade outs. They seem to have started when we decided to play two ruckmen (Pyke and Mummy). This gives us less midfield rotations, and even more so when our sub is also not a midfielder.

                            Could be a bit underdone too. I'd be concerned if it keeps happening, because there is not excuse for a lack of fitness.
                            They didn't start with playing two ruckmen at all. There are not less midfield rotations at all. The other player coming in would be a forward not a mid.

                            The fade out is partly game plan. It is the fact we stick too rigidly to a plan with no mixing it up. Take kicking out of the backline, we kicked long to the Members side all the time from the Paddo end. Often there were players loose on the other side but they were ignored because the game plan was to kick to the other side. I don't know why because if the coaches had watched the reserves they may have seen how a side really uses the fat side really well. They may have also got a lesson on how to mix it up and go both ways and through the guts depending on who was free and who had the run.

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                            • sharp9
                              Senior Player
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 2508

                              #29
                              Our problems are mental not physical (which is good)....when Geelong were pressing we just kept panicking...not overlapping with run....not taking the more adventurous option. And it seemed to me that it was our fault, not theirs. We sort of stopped playing the way we were.

                              BTW don't forget the horrendous fade-outs against Freo and Port when we were up by 6 goals....nearly lost both of those games. It's just mental. When Geelong and Collingwood were at their best over the last five years they never got run over after getting a 6 goal break....just kept playing their game and not letting one, two or three goals bother them. They just KNEW that if they stuck at playing their game they would get the settler they needed and kick on. Our mindset really seems to change as soon as the opposition start to play well (St. Kilda anyone? ). So, in theory, we can fix this and become very, very tough to beat.
                              "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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                              • Nico
                                Veterans List
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 11355

                                #30
                                Originally posted by barry
                                I have a theory on the late fade outs. They seem to have started when we decided to play two ruckmen (Pyke and Mummy). This gives us less midfield rotations, and even more so when our sub is also not a midfielder.

                                Could be a bit underdone too. I'd be concerned if it keeps happening, because there is not excuse for a lack of fitness.
                                It could be we have lost a midfielder in Parker that makes us a player rotation down.
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