2012 vs 2005

[Bloody Hell]

Since the Tippett Thread is finally losing momentum, as a pointless off-season thread let me ask the question...who would win playing the two recent premiership sides against each other?

Would Hall and O'Loughlin tear the 2012 Swans a new arsehole?

Could the 2012 Swans break the 2005 Swans hard tags in the midfield?

Would the 22nd players selected in Parker and Bevan prove the difference?

I've always seen the 2005 Swans as good defense, good forward line and mediocre midfield, while the 2012 Swans is a good defense, good midfield, mediocre forward line...Is there some life lesson there???

Who would win???

[Auntie.Gerald]

i couldnt split it

[Big Al]

Re: 2012 vs 2005

2012 by 10 goals... 2005 had Bevan in the side. Game Over

[goswannies]

2012 by 10 goals... 2005 had Bevan in the side. Game Over

1933 Swans would beat the best side you could assemble from the 2012 & 2005 sides COMBINED! And that included only having one interchange player that would have to be used as a sub

[Frog]

Depends which of the two teams ROK, Goodes, B1 and LRT play for.

[johnno]

2012: 14.17.101
2005: 13. 8. 86

2012 team can create more scoring opportunities than 2005 team but spray a lot more shots at goal. They should however have scored more to get over the line.

[ugg]

Filling some time in on a rainy day.

Some great hypothetical matchups

- Kirk to zero in onto JPK from the very first bounce. Arguably the 2 greatest Swans inside midfielders of the Roos-Longmire era to clash head to head.
- A Johnson-ROK ('05 version) would be an interesting duel, with ROK's licence to run up great distances up the field to be matched by the competitiveness and aerobic capacity of AJ.
- The battle of the Nicks - Smith on Davis
- Crouch on Jetta, while Crouchy won't be able to match Lewis at full flight, you can be damned sure he won't allow him the space that Jetta loves.
- While there is a potential for a mind-bending LRT on LRT matchup, it is more likely that the '05 LRT (CHB) would go on Reid (CHF), leaving the task of marking '12 LRT to Leapin' Leo. If '12 Goodes plays in the forward line, a mouthwatering battle with B2 should eventuate.
- Who would play on '05 Goodes in the midfield? Will the task be left to the tagging role of Bird or will the tackle hungry '12 version of ROK be able to use his bigger physique to match up on Goodes? Bird might be required to be the forward tag to dampen the effectiveness of Kennelly.
- Fosdike on Hannebery - both have played many of their best games at the MCG.
- Richards/Grundy v Hall/Micky O - Longmire has often preferred to assign Reg onto the opposition's better forward allowing Ted to come across as third man up if required. So it's more likely that Grundy-Hall & Richards-O'Loughlin matchups would eventuate than vice-versa.
- Horse vs Roos - How would Roos set up his team against Longmire's 'slingshot footy'? What tactics would Horse attempt to free up Jetta against the tight taggers in the 05 midfield?
Feel free to add more!

[liz]

I reckon you just leave Goodes to play on Goodes. Neither version is particularly strong defensively so they'd probably play off each other a fair bit. The2012 version is stronger, maybe a tad quicker and certainly wiser, but maybe not as agile as the 2005 version. And given the injury interrupted season, not as fit either. Would be an entertaining battle.

[ShockOfHair]

LRT v LRT - I'd like to see that. And Mumford-Pyke v Jolly-Ball.

The thing is the 2005 team actually drove the league to change the rules. Under 2012 rules, IMHO, Team Horse would win with its extra pace. Under 2005 rules I'd still give the 2012 team a chance but Roos' mob better able to shut them down.

[goswannie14]

2012 by 10 goals... 2005 had Bevan in the side. Game Over

This.

[aardvark]

I reckon the 2005 Eagles were a better team than the 2012 Hawks so my vote goes for 2005.

[Ruck'n'Roll]

1933 Swans would beat the best side you could assemble from the 2012 & 2005 sides COMBINED! And that included only having one interchange player that would have to be used as a sub

I'm not sure the star studded team of the 30's is worth celebrating. Sure in 1933 they won a grandfinal, but a year later the evidence suggests that the same team took bribes to lose a grand final. Can you see today's "Bloods" doing the same?

The sooner that particular "Golden Age" is overshadowed, the better. Why don't we celebrate the 88-90 premiership sides?

Edit : Frog
Source for bribe allegations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Pra..._ref-m114_33-0

The Full Points Footy Encyclopedia Of Australian Football Clubs Volume One - John Devaney - Google Books

[goswannie14]

I'm not sure the star studded team of the 30's is worth celebrating. Sure in 1933 they won a grandfinal, but a year later the same team took bribes to lose a grand final. Can you see today's "Bloods" doing the same?

The sooner that particular "Golden Age" is overshadowed, the better. Why don't we celebrate the 88-90 premiership sides?

Edit : Frog
Source for bribe allegations:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Pra..._ref-m114_33-0

The Full Points Footy Encyclopedia Of Australian Football Clubs Volume One - John Devaney - Google Books

You seem to be treating allegations as facts. Very dangerous thing to do.

[Velour&Ruffles]

2012: 14.17.101
2005: 13. 8. 86
2012 team can create more scoring opportunities than 2005 team but spray a lot more shots at goal. They should however have scored more to get over the line.

Must have been in that alternate universe 2005 grand final that I didn't see.

[Primmy]

Interesting premise. I voted for the 2012 because I believed we could win. I put that down to the faith I had in all of them, each and every one including the kids as well as the possibility of the unexpected, which made the team less predictable. I also had faith in the fact that each of them had confidence in themselves and their teammates, more so than I had seen for some time. You could see the 'knowledge' of strengths and weaknesses grow game by game in 2012. AJ for one comes to mind. Hanners. Jetts. Sam too. As for Mitch....

Never doubted the second tier of players, didn't worry too much about the forward line because our goals came from everywhere in 2012. Two major ones came from the back line! We also had thrill factor, running power, slingshots. this is not so evident in our 2005 win.

Now I am not discounting 2005. It was brilliant, the players were brilliant, the emotion was as high as the sky. However I have watched 2012 about 10 times in 3 months, I have watched 2005 about 3 times in 7 years.

Perhaps its the expression on NicMal's face, perhaps its MM's honesty, maybe watching Macca search for his family, definitely the brothers over the fence helps define why 2012 is a stand alone moment for the club. Its an amalgamation of them all from the top dog to the pups - one purpose, no passengers.