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  • Auntie.Gerald
    Veterans List
    • Oct 2009
    • 6474

    scully tackle on bolton when Jude was kicking

    what was everyones take on this one?

    it happened right in front of myself and friends and we all argued over it !

    personally i thought scully didnt pull him sideways enough but i have to say Bolton was very lucky

    that type of tackle gets paid a free every other tackle in fact it was fair to say that the umps really struggled with the in the back and maybe not in the back tackles all night

    i counted probably 8 that could have gone either way and didnt
    "be tough, only when it gets tough"

  • stellation
    scott names the planets
    • Sep 2003
    • 9718

    #2
    I just didn't get the umpiring last night at all. If anything they seemed more rusty than the players.
    I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
    We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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    • Swansongster
      Senior Player
      • Sep 2008
      • 1264

      #3
      Originally posted by Auntie.Gerald
      what was everyones take on this one?

      it happened right in front of myself and friends and we all argued over it !

      personally i thought scully didnt pull him sideways enough but i have to say Bolton was very lucky

      that type of tackle gets paid a free every other tackle in fact it was fair to say that the umps really struggled with the in the back and maybe not in the back tackles all night

      i counted probably 8 that could have gone either way and didnt
      Should have been HTB against Bolton for mine.

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      • DeadlyAkkuret
        Veterans List
        • Oct 2006
        • 4547

        #4
        Is Jack in any serious trouble for his supposed trip?

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        • liz
          Veteran
          Site Admin
          • Jan 2003
          • 16737

          #5
          Originally posted by stellation
          I just didn't get the umpiring last night at all. If anything they seemed more rusty than the players.
          Agreed. It was pretty ordinary. Especially when Chamberlain decided to remind us all he was back with soft 50m penalties to each team within moments of each other. There seemed to be even more random frees plucked out of the ruck than normal, including one to Mumford in front of goal, where he was sporting enough to miss the conversion.

          There were also several instances of "below the knees" contact that were either let go, or played as a high to the player who went to ground. Consistency in applying this rule is going to be a headache for umpires and a mystery for players throughout the season, I suspect.

          I thought we probably got the slightly better side of things with the umpiring last night but it was frustrating to watch.

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          • GongSwan
            Senior Player
            • Jan 2009
            • 1362

            #6
            Originally posted by DeadlyAkkuret
            Is Jack in any serious trouble for his supposed trip?
            I didn't think that type of tripping was reportable anymore, apparently I was wrong
            You can't argue with a sick mind - Joe Walsh

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            • stellation
              scott names the planets
              • Sep 2003
              • 9718

              #7
              Originally posted by liz
              Agreed. It was pretty ordinary. Especially when Chamberlain decided to remind us all he was back with soft 50m penalties to each team within moments of each other. There seemed to be even more random frees plucked out of the ruck than normal, including one to Mumford in front of goal, where he was sporting enough to miss the conversion.

              There were also several instances of "below the knees" contact that were either let go, or played as a high to the player who went to ground. Consistency in applying this rule is going to be a headache for umpires and a mystery for players throughout the season, I suspect.

              I thought we probably got the slightly better side of things with the umpiring last night but it was frustrating to watch.
              I think we had it a bit better with the umpiring as well, I did notice a few line ball rulings that showed inconsistencies in our favour; but I don't know if part of that is simply a team that is more experienced across the board so presumably a little better at knowing how to either conceal or highlight something a bit borderline.

              A couple that stuck in my mind are;
              In the first quarter I thought that Tom Scully was fairly clearly taken high in our forward 50 and there was no whistle, then moments later we received a free for a high tackle that was far less "there" in our defensive 50 (and I think it may have actually been against Scully).
              At one point Jeremy Cameron attacked the ball, had his head ducked slightly whilst charging through a pack (I think just to collect the ball) and copped a tap on the head from at 3 different Swans and the call was "ducked your head, play on" and then a little later we got a free kick for high contact when a Swan did essentially the same thing.

              The ruck infringement you mentioned that Mummy then missed was strange, especially right in front of goals- and seemed even stranger on the replay.

              Perhaps my most frustrating free kick to us for the night (in a sense of "I hate seeing frees like that paid") was one for a high tackle where a Swan shrugged his shoulders to break a tackler and the tackler's hand slid slightly up to the top of the shoulder. Absolutely, technically there- but really no impediment to the Swan and caused by no fault of the Giant.
              I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
              We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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              • Primmy
                Proud Tragic Swan
                • Apr 2008
                • 5970

                #8
                There were some real oddities in the umping. Ray was at it with his little tweeter, some of it good, some of it decidedly questionable. As for the other two....very inconsistent and at times laughable. They need more practice in the vfl.
                If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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                • Cosmic Wizard
                  recruit me pretty please!
                  • Sep 2005
                  • 620

                  #9
                  Bolton was gone; can not believe how lucky we were in that one!
                  Jack is in trouble, will be surprise he is not report on the match day review.
                  As for the rucks, can ruckmen actually make contact these days??
                  The game is being overpoliced, end of story.
                  doof-doof

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                  • ShockOfHair
                    One Man Out
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 3668

                    #10
                    Yep, a few embarrassing frees to us. The ruck rule is dumb. The Scully report is over the top. Amazing the umps missed Jack's ankle-tap.
                    I thought the Jude free was more holding the ball though Brereton and Roos called it in the back straight away.
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                    • Melbournehammer
                      Senior Player
                      • May 2007
                      • 1815

                      #11
                      It's a personal bugbear of mine. I reckon anytime a player gets caught from behind it should be htb. From an aesthetic point of view the tackler should be rewarded and the slow release should be penalised. But from a strictly legalistic interpretation, the incorrect disposal happens before the defender lands in his back.

                      On the facts I would have called htb even with the existing rule.

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                      • Nondo
                        On the Rookie List
                        • Jan 2011
                        • 23

                        #12
                        It was holding the ball - Jude sort of lurched forward which fooled the umpire (and the commentators apparently) - but Scully executed the tackle well. The Giants were pretty unlucky with that one, but hey it's not easy to be an umpire.

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                        • goswannie14
                          Leadership Group
                          • Sep 2005
                          • 11166

                          #13
                          Landed flush in his back. As such, in the back every time.
                          Does God believe in Atheists?

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                          • liz
                            Veteran
                            Site Admin
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 16737

                            #14
                            Originally posted by goswannie14
                            Landed flush in his back. As such, in the back every time.
                            I admit I thought that one was a clear in the back (though I haven't watched a replay yet, so it might look different on TV).

                            I don't have an issue with the principle of requiring a tackle to be properly executed, and backing the guy with the ball over the tackler unless it is perfectly executed. More generally, I would prefer frees always being paid to penalise a player who has done something wrong, rather than as a reward for the recipient. Hence I would like any head high contact to be 'play on' where the play caught high has substantially caused the contact.

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                            • goswannie14
                              Leadership Group
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 11166

                              #15
                              Originally posted by liz
                              I admit I thought that one was a clear in the back (though I haven't watched a replay yet, so it might look different on TV).

                              I don't have an issue with the principle of requiring a tackle to be properly executed, and backing the guy with the ball over the tackler unless it is perfectly executed. More generally, I would prefer frees always being paid to penalise a player who has done something wrong, rather than as a reward for the recipient. Hence I would like any head high contact to be 'play on' where the play caught high has substantially caused the contact.
                              Yep, too often you see a player going into a tackle or pack and ducking their head, then they receive the free kick. That is wrong IMO.

                              The problem is arising this year when someone dives in head first and makes contact below the knee of an opponent.....who gets the free? It could be the high contact, or the low contact. That's why we, the supporter get so annoyed with the inconsistencies.

                              It is also the problem of changing rules every year. We don't need administrators justifying their pay checks by contimually changing the way our game is played.
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