My one big frustration with our game play

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  • CureTheSane
    Carpe Noctem
    • Jan 2003
    • 5032

    My one big frustration with our game play

    Shepherding- or lack of it.

    Not sure if our game plan doesn't allow for it as much as other teams, or if players are busy making position to keep the flow going, but I'd like to see some more blocking
    The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.
  • ScottH
    It's Goodes to cheer!!
    • Sep 2003
    • 23665

    #2
    Originally posted by CureTheSane
    Shepherding- or lack of it.

    Not sure if our game plan doesn't allow for it as much as other teams, or if players are busy making position to keep the flow going, but I'd like to see some more blocking
    We've never been big on shepherding, but Birdy sure laid a decent one.

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    • Untamed Snark
      Senior Player
      • Feb 2011
      • 1375

      #3
      Originally posted by ScottH
      We've never been big on shepherding, but Birdy sure laid a decent one.
      Would have thought Lamb would be more inclined to a shepherd...


      sorry
      Chillin' with the strange Quarks

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      • jetts32
        On the Rookie List
        • Oct 2012
        • 200

        #4
        Originally posted by Untamed Snark
        Would have thought Lamb would be more inclined to a shepherd...


        sorry
        I C w0t u did dere

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        • wolftone57
          Veterans List
          • Aug 2008
          • 5854

          #5
          I brought this up last year. We don't shepherd a lot. We were getting into the habit after the half way mark last year and it did make a difference. It contributed to our GF win. We have regressed to the old style in quite a few areas this year. Shepherding is one area we have regressed.

          Just kicking the ball long to a contest down the members wing is another. There were so many opportunities to attack on the opposite side but we just kept on bombing it long. bloody frustrating. I thought we got rid of that repetitive action after the half way point of last season.

          Bombing it into the forwardline is another. Not as bad yesterday but still an issue at times.

          I'm just going to say I love Mike Pyke. He is a sensational player. It is hard to believe he only took up the game 5 years ago.

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          • wolftone57
            Veterans List
            • Aug 2008
            • 5854

            #6
            In all I thought our game a lot better yesterday.

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            • Go Swannies
              Veterans List
              • Sep 2003
              • 5697

              #7
              The lack of shepherding is something we just have to live with, as frustrating as it is, because it's unlikely to change. Over the years I've asked both Paul Roos and Rhyce Shaw and both suggested that players are given a role in each situation and that's rarely to shepherd. Then again I spent a weekend an Eagles supporter and I was lamenting "bloody Daniel Chick" - now there was a shepherd that won a Premiership.

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              • dimelb
                pr. dim-melb; m not f
                • Jun 2003
                • 6889

                #8
                Scott Watters wouldn't agree!
                But we could do more.
                He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                • TakeTheSaucepan
                  On the Rookie List
                  • Nov 2009
                  • 23

                  #9
                  To be honest, I don't think it's that important. We currently average 47.5 1%'rs per game, 6th in the competition. To me clearances (ranked 1st), contested possessions (1st) and tackles (3rd) have a profoundly greater impact on the game.

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                  • ernie koala
                    Senior Player
                    • May 2007
                    • 3251

                    #10
                    Originally posted by TakeTheSaucepan
                    To be honest, I don't think it's that important. We currently average 47.5 1%'rs per game, 6th in the competition. To me clearances (ranked 1st), contested possessions (1st) and tackles (3rd) have a profoundly greater impact on the game.
                    Pressure is the No.1 to me..Whether it be , tackling, smothering, simply chasing hard.

                    These acts equal turnovers, and turnovers create excellent scoring opportunities (ie it catches opposition out of position).
                    Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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                    • Swansongster
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 1264

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Go Swannies
                      The lack of shepherding is something we just have to live with, as frustrating as it is, because it's unlikely to change. Over the years I've asked both Paul Roos and Rhyce Shaw and both suggested that players are given a role in each situation and that's rarely to shepherd. Then again I spent a weekend an Eagles supporter and I was lamenting "bloody Daniel Chick" - now there was a shepherd that won a Premiership.
                      I wouldn't have thought that "shepherding" is a game plan/set role sort of science. It is an opportunistic "one-percenter" effort that arises within a passage of play. It is a skill that is executed well by players who combine experience and peripheral vision to create space for a team mate and hamper an opponent's access to player or ball. Often there is a thin line between a good shepherd and illegal deliberate interference.

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                      • mcs
                        Travelling Swannie!!
                        • Jul 2007
                        • 8162

                        #12
                        That shepherd by Birdy yesterday was a cracker.... came off worse for wear for a few minutes afterwards however.
                        "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                        • Meg
                          Go Swannies!
                          Site Admin
                          • Aug 2011
                          • 4828

                          #13
                          Just watched 'Kieran' Bird's shepherd and bump on Swans' TV. It certainly was a cracker. As was Jetta's run and perfect pass to Reid.

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                          • crackedactor
                            Regular in the Side
                            • May 2012
                            • 919

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Swansongster
                            I wouldn't have thought that "shepherding" is a game plan/set role sort of science. It is an opportunistic "one-percenter" effort that arises within a passage of play. It is a skill that is executed well by players who combine experience and peripheral vision to create space for a team mate and hamper an opponent's access to player or ball. Often there is a thin line between a good shepherd and illegal deliberate interference.
                            Very valid point, sometimes its a shepherd and other times its interference. We cop enough free kicks against already. In fact I laughed tonight when on the AFL 360, they complained about the North Melbourne v Port Adelaide free kick count which was 28 to 10. How come no mentioned the GF, when its was 26 to 10? Or even Sunday's game when Brisbane got an extra 10 free kicks. I guess some teams have to expect that every game the opposition will get at least 10 extra free kicks, regardless if they are there or not.

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                            • CureTheSane
                              Carpe Noctem
                              • Jan 2003
                              • 5032

                              #15
                              I though the same thing with the free kicks. Probably best not to increase that for the Swans

                              Bird's shepherd was what inspired this post, which I had nearly made many times before.
                              When you see that, you realise that we can actually do it lol
                              The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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