Rnd 7 Vs Hawks

[Nico]

Outplayed by a sharp outfit.

A couple of players who have got a bit of kudos that I saw as genuine weaknesses.

Armstrong; he had 11 possessions. 7 kicks 4 handpasses. He was chasing tail all night. Parker; had 19 stats and 10 tackles. looks good on the surface but seemed to stroll around miles from anyone and didn't bother chasing. May have been close in the clinches at times but boy he created nothing. And keep him away from centre bounces. Has no idea.

Centre clearances; when will our club get on top of the glaring deficiency. Again we were slaughtered. Our rucks jumped too early, our smalls stood flat footed and there was no pressure on their mids. They just took it away with consummate ease and it put so much immediate pressure on the backs. "They" say we have great midfield depth; not when it comes to centre clearances we don't.

[Swanner]

Rnd 7 Vs Hawks

We don't have the depth we thought we had. If we had AJ, LRT, Shaw and Mumford and dropped Rampe or Armstrong, White and Lamb we would have gone close to winning. Jesse didn't cut it and too many mistakes from defenders.

[giant]

Poor effort against a hungrier, more committed, better prepared team.

Wouldn't blame the forwards too much, our midfield (bar Goodesy) was well done on their usual efforts.

Said last year that one of things that made us stand out was our ability to match against three (and if necessary) even four tall forwards - Sat night showed that was indeed the case. Not many teams do boast three quality tall defenders though - we'll need to muddle thru until LRT is back on deck and hope we don't get mauled by the monsters like we were on Saturday. Is Walsh a tall defensive option? If so, perhaps worth a chance - let's find out at least! All credit to Rampe tho who never gave up.

Clearly some fringe players that need to lift their rating, or hope the reserves don't put too much pressure on them.

[CureTheSane]

My overall summary is that they were desperate and hard at the ball.
They were all over us at every occasion, right down to Buddy's chase at the end.
Also, the Hawks fired at goal under angels and circumstances that would usually result in 25 - 50% returns and got nearly 100% return.

We were outplayed, but didn't play that badly.
To me, the scoreline at the end of the game didn't reflect the game play, should have been a bigger margin to the Hawks.

[Nich]

Agreed, talk about the 'C' team. Just revert back to the "Swans like it scrappy, lots of stoppages, blah blah blah." anyone would think we we still in 2005.

Then BT still refusing to admit he was dead wrong about Pkye...and lying about when he made the comments...ie not 6 years ago...but 2 years ago....What a small minded pathetic boofhead he is.

Then the great excitement at trying to talk up Goodseys missed toe poke at the ball, which collected Gibson in the shin....as a reportable offence. Also pathetic.

Just unlistenable.

Ernie you just summed up the exact 3 main things that did my head in. Spot on!

[ScottH]

My overall summary is that they were desperate and hard at the ball.
They were all over us at every occasion, right down to Buddy's chase at the end.
Also, the Hawks fired at goal under angels and circumstances that would usually result in 25 - 50% returns and got nearly 100% return.

We were outplayed, but didn't play that badly.
To me, the scoreline at the end of the game didn't reflect the game play, should have been a bigger margin to the Hawks.

Agree.
And the angels were definitely on the Hawks side.

IT took us 2 qtrs to get into the game, by then it was pretty much over.
When we got space, or managed to avoid tacklers, we played some good footy.
But, like the 3rd term against the Cats, we couldn't handle the intense pressure that they put on us.
It was incredible, and when they forced the turn over, they had too many players free.

Too many unforced errors.
A very similar game to the Hawks Sf in 2011

Jesse should look forward to playing the rest of the year in the 2's.
I've said it before, he knows what to do when he gets the ball, but doesn't know how to get the ball.
He offered us very little last night.

Reg is becoming a liability.

[gossipcom]

Agree.
Jesse should look forward to playing the rest of the year in the 2's.
I've said it before, he knows what to do when he gets the ball, but doesn't know how to get the ball.
He offered us very little last night.

Reg is becoming a liability.

Apart from the usual throwing things when Jesse is playing, I was sick of him doing little toe-pokes (pretty much emphasises your comment about how to get the ball) - when he wasn't winning the ball he'd stand there and on at least two occasions he stuck his foot out to kick it and they led to Hawks goals. Okay that sounded better in my head.

Reg's always been a concern for me, I think because of no LRT, Johnson around him his weaknesses are coming to the forefront instead of being hidden away.

[ScottH]

Apart from the usual throwing things when Jesse is playing, I was sick of him doing little toe-pokes (pretty much emphasises your comment about how to get the ball) - when he wasn't winning the ball he'd stand there and on at least two occasions he stuck his foot out to kick it and they led to Hawks goals. Okay that sounded better in my head.

Reg's always been a concern for me, I think because of no LRT, Johnson around him his weaknesses are coming to the forefront instead of being hidden away.

Your probably right about LRT and AJ missing.
Ted used to be the weak link, now Ted is miles ahead of Reg.

[Cosmic Wizard]

The next three week will tell if we really are a premiership threat.
If we lose just once, we are ok, but anything more and we will be just making up the finals numbers.
Too many passengers in our team at the moment.
Its great that the coaching staff keeping picking young players and giving them game time, but lets look at the results.
We need to blood some more backmen, as this is our biggest liability at the moment.
Reid, White, Armstrong need to go back to the seconds, and maybe Bolton as well.
We do have other players, why not Walsh, as no one can be worst than White, and he can have a go in the backlines.
Not to disappointed by the result, just hoping that we learn from that disagree and build on it.

[aardvark]

Clarkson coached really well. They put a lot of thought into who they tagged (hanners) and who they isolated defensively (Rampe) and played to their strengths really well. Longmire was forced to be reactive all night but to his credit at least he tried some different things. It was just all too late.

[dimelb]

Rampe tried all night. He was outgunned for most of the time but I bet he learned a lot from it. We need to remember that he is a work in progress where first grade is concerned, and I'm happy to persist with him.

[AnnieH]

We (with the exception of Goodesy and Joey) played like absolute crap.
Would it bloody well hurt them to maybe look up for a milli-second to check to see where they're kicking the ball.
I hoped that it would be otherwise (as he's going great guns in the ressies), but Jessie just isn't going to cut it in the firsts.

[rojo]

We are on a bit of a knife edge at the moment. Our 'old boys' are beginning to show their age, with injuries becoming a factor for them and we are having through necessity to include inexperienced players. Mummy too is a bit of a worry. It is hard to remember when he was last injury free and playing at his best. So the middle tier are maybe feeling the exposure a bit.

With Mummy and LRT both out not only were we lacking talls, but lacking talls with grunt and a physical presence. Goodsey at his best is scary but who else was there on Sat. night to give a bit of protection to the smalls! Mike is excellent with his body work - if only he could teach Sam a trick or two - but that is his strength, he is not necessarily ever going to charge through and scatter a pack. Both Goodsey and LRT are going to be irreplaceable - have we got anyone coming through to take over from them?? Maybe AJ is one when he is back on track and perhaps KT the other. Phew! But we still have the challenge of how to turn it around next week with the players available.

[troyjones2525]

While i was bitterly disappointed with Saturday nights effort i still hold hope that 1. Hawthorn was always going to want it more and 2. we still have a lot of improvement left in this years team. We have quite a few first choice players out of Saturday nights team that will make a huge difference. Armstrong out for Shaw is 1 must. Mumford, LRT and Tippett all will be huge ins when fit and firing in the 2nd half of the year. You could make a case for Morton into the side also if needed and possibly Mitchell if he can string some games together and stay injury free, here's hoping he can make the adjustment to senior level AFL as easily as he has his entire footy life. One more forgotten player that could possibly be a huge addition to this years line-up if everything goes right from here is Gary Rohan. If he can come back with confidence in the 2nd half of the year and string some quality games together in the 2's he will add more of that X factor we've been missing from Jetta this year! The whole groups attitude and hunger needs to lift back to where it was last year and then here's hoping for a huge 2nd half to the season all the way to another premiership!

[Doctor]

We (with the exception of Goodesy and Joey) played like absolute crap.
Would it bloody well hurt them to maybe look up for a milli-second to check to see where they're kicking the ball.
I hoped that it would be otherwise (as he's going great guns in the ressies), but Jessie just isn't going to cut it in the firsts.

I think you're being harsh on Pyke and McGlynn but that's about all.