End of year trades involving Swans

[ernie koala]

All the talk is about GWS's pick one (Boyd), being on the table, with many Melbourne clubs circling.

Now before I get shouted down, I haven't given up on this season, or Mummy staying, I'm just pontificating, because we are one club that has the trade bait GWS are after.

If it becomes likely that Mummy will chase the dollars and a long contract, and go, GWS is a possible destination, they have expressed interest in him.

So to cut our losses, a trade of Mummy and one of our many mids (not sure which one, perhaps Parker), for pick 1.

It would have to be a good mid and will cause initial heart ache I know...but if Boyd is anything like what he's being touted, we'll have a franchise power forward for the next 10- 14 years, along with Tippett for the next 4-6.

Others thoughts?

[Ludwig]

We don't need Boyd. We have Tippett and Reid, and Dre will lose his spot in defence once AJ returns next year and will available to play a half forward. But what we do need are a couple of good KPPs to fill the gaps that will crop up after the retirements of Ted and LRT. We have excellent depth in our midfield, but have been exposed in the KPP area this year. I figure we have 4 or 5 young midfielders that will find it hard breaking into the seniors next year if everyone is healthy (including Rohan and Jetta): that being Lamb, BJ, Cunningham, Jake Lloyd and probably Perris, who will come onto our list this draft. The jury is still out on a few others. From this list Lamb would have the most trade value, and to be both fair to him and ourselves, we should seek a trade for him. Perhaps if packaged with a little sweetener (like our number 3 pick) we could get a pick in the 20s for him. This would give us a pick in the mid teens, the 20s and the low 30s which should be good enough to draft a couple of good KPP prospects.

I wouldn't trade Parker under any conditions. He's a gun and will be a mainstay our midfield for a long time.

The Mummy situation is a bit more complicated because we don't know what he is looking for in new contract, although the word is that his management wants a four year deal, and I would imagine for quite a healthy sum. It's quite possible that we simply can't afford him. If we have to let him go, then we should get something equivalent to what we got for Jolly, which I believe was pick 14, which we use to draft Jetta. GWS have a number of good KPP prospects that are completing for senior spots. We may be interested in trading for one of them if GWS are in the market for Mummy. If Mummy goes, then Jesse should stay, otherwise, we probably should look to trade him.

Regardless of how we go in finals this year, it is critical that we address our long term requirements for tall defenders. There are many teams in the market for KPPs so we should do everything we can to put ourselves in a good long term position in this regard. If we have an excess, it will be easy to find a trade in the future.

[CureTheSane]

Others thoughts?

It's July.

[GongSwan]

It's July.

Zackly

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Mummy and Parker for pick 1? Wut?

[707]

KPD in the ND? - Joel Tippett :-) It is only July but not too soon to be looking ahead, the recruiters are so why not us?

GWS are in a strange list situation, with 50 players listed they have lots of everything and mostly high draft picks, except they don't have very good mature players. What they don't need is another batch of kids, particularly kids taken with picks 10, 20, 38, 56. Note that their reserves tomorrow boast ND picks 2 3, 5, 9, 10, 12 etc, just too many kids fighting for too few spots in the senior side. They now need a better age spread of good players like most other sides have.

GWS currently have about 22 -25 midfielders listed and except for Boyd at No.1, this years draft is dominated by midfielders. So IMO they will look to trade all their picks for very good mature players if they can get other clubs to release them. Don't think anyone can put up a package capable of getting Boyd, he'll just slot in alongside Patton and Cameron!

So if Mummy does think he looks better in orange, GWS have a compo pick around 10 that could be the right value for us, or pick 20 and a young player or one of their high draft young KP youngsters like Corr or Jaksch.

[ernie koala]

We don't need Boyd. We have Tippett and Reid, and Dre will lose his spot in defence once AJ returns next year and will available to play a half forward.

I wouldn't trade Parker under any conditions. He's a gun and will be a mainstay our midfield for a long time.

The Mummy situation is a bit more complicated because we don't know what he is looking for in new contract, although the word is that his management wants a four year deal, and I would imagine for quite a healthy sum. It's quite possible that we simply can't afford him. If we have to let him go, then we should get something equivalent to what we got for Jolly, which I believe was pick 14, which we use to draft Jetta. GWS have a number of good KPP prospects that are completing for senior spots. We may be interested in trading for one of them if GWS are in the market for Mummy. If Mummy goes, then Jesse should stay, otherwise, we probably should look to trade him.

Regardless of how we go in finals this year, it is critical that we address our long term requirements for tall defenders. There are many teams in the market for KPPs so we should do everything we can to put ourselves in a good long term position in this regard. If we have an excess, it will be easy to find a trade in the future.

I agree we need to keep finding more KPP.

I would suggest Reid may well end up as a defender, and a maybe a bit of a swing man when required. But his kicking for goal is poor.

Tippett is 26, so he's at the halfway mark of his career, he also plays in the ruck, and if Mummy were to go would probably be required to play more there.

As for Dre, the only good footy he has played has been as a back pocket. IMO , he's found his spot.

Yes Parker is a gun.. But my point is, to get a trade like this one done you have to give up something worthwhile.

Now all I know about this guy Boyd is what I've read...Which is that he is a once in a generation FF...About 200cm, 102 kg and counting, great mark, great kick for goal, agile and has a great attitude.

If that's so, then in the name of long term vision and recruitment, all clubs would be interested.

Look, I'm not thinking we're in a desperate state and need to trade away, just it occurred to me that we may loose Mummy anyway and for one other player we may be able to get the trade done....

That's ofcourse if our recruiters agree with the general view of this guy.

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It's July.

So what?....It's just a discussion about recruiting/ trading which will be happening in about 3 months time.

[annew]

Since mummy is out of contract couldn't he just go o GWS like Tippett came to us for nothing

[ernie koala]

Since mummy is out of contract couldn't he just go o GWS like Tippett came to us for nothing

Yes he could, but clubs generally are happy to do a trade, as we were for Tippett.

I heard Silvagni discussing Buddy, who is a free agent, yet he was suggesting they may offer a trade for him.

[swans_premiers]

Kruezer, jack watts, david swallow,scully,patton,whitfield are the last 6 number 1's.

Wow...a bunch of superstars there:-/

Number 1, 17 year old is not worth that much. Just like a business wouldn't recruit a high school graduate on $100,000's

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Any 17 year old who's 200cm 102kg should be dominating.

If he's going to be a "once in a lifetime forward" he should be kicking bags in the VFL every week, without exception.

[Rod_]

Here is a long shot..

Trade Tippett to GWS for No 1, and Keep Mummy, etc. (We may also get a good player thrown in as part of the deal..)

This will free up our TPP $ to keep Joey, Parker, Mitchell etc..

Rod_

[707]

More wet day research on GWS. They nearly have a full team of picks 16 and under but all around 19-20 years old!

1, 1, 1, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5, 7, 7, 9, 9, 10, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 14, 16 - bloody stunning and add to that nine players picked as 17 year olds before any of these ND picks were taken and apparently at least half of those would have been first rounders in the 2011 ND. That is a staggering array of potential stars.

This is why GWS are keen to find some very good players around the 24-26 year old mark to balance their list and make them more competitive sooner.

[CureTheSane]

So what?....It's just a discussion about recruiting/ trading which will be happening in about 3 months time.

Which is right on when it is should be happening.
Trade talk is never much more than speculation from supporters which generally is used as a vehicle to convey their biases, no matter how justified they might seem.
The club are the ones who know all the ins and outs, who knew that Rohan came close to calling it quits, who know which players would like to play in another state, who know who deserves a regular game and won't get one if they stay with the Swans, who know the attitudes and temperaments of the players etc etc

Until players raise their hands, or until the club puts them up, trade talk now simply carries no merit.

[ernie koala]

Which is right on when it is should be happening.
Trade talk is never much more than speculation from supporters which generally is used as a vehicle to convey their biases, no matter how justified they might seem.
The club are the ones who know all the ins and outs, who knew that Rohan came close to calling it quits, who know which players would like to play in another state, who know who deserves a regular game and won't get one if they stay with the Swans, who know the attitudes and temperaments of the players etc etc

Until players raise their hands, or until the club puts them up, trade talk now simply carries no merit.

Your riding nice and high in the saddle.....Everybody knows this is just speculation.

Trade talk on here is just a bit of harmless conjecture...and yes speculation...

If that rubs you up the wrong way...move on to another thread.

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Here is a long shot..

Trade Tippett to GWS for No 1, and Keep Mummy, etc. (We may also get a good player thrown in as part of the deal..)

This will free up our TPP $ to keep Joey, Parker, Mitchell etc..

Rod_

Yep, sounds good to me....get it done Rod.

[0918330512]

I heard Silvagni discussing Buddy, who is a free agent, yet he was suggesting they may offer a trade for him.

Buddy is a restricted free agent - he can't just go where he pleases

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Your riding nice and high in the saddle.....Everybody knows this is just speculation.
If that rubs you up the wrong way...move on to another thread.

Me Koala, you quite like the "high high in the saddle" phrase - or variants thereof - me thinks ... surely CureTheSane is just as entitled to their opinion (of not wanting premature trade talk) as anyone else has of wanting to talk about it?
& my horse is just a Shetland pony, so you'll need to pick a new berating phrase for me