Tigers game day 28 July

[Triple B]

Comments of a highly derogative nature such as Dud...

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Can anyone tell me who Nick Smith played on?

I thought it was Deledio, but they tell me C.Bird played on him.

So who did Smith play on?

The only real constant was Teddy on Riewoldt and Reg on Vickery when he was forward, otherwise, it was a real mix and match setup.

With 'pushup' suspended, Smooch never really had a hard lockdown small forward to go to, although I suspect he probably kept check on Edwards at certain times.

There was a funny exchange at one stage in the game when the Swans got the matchups a bit skewif after a goal. There was much frantic arm waving and stuttering attempts to change opponents, but the ball was being bounced. Fortunately the ump could see we had problems and kindly bounced it 20m sideways for a re-bounce, hence letting our defenders sort themselves out...lol

[aardvark]

Wow. 'He doesn't have a brain'. That's some serious hate. Smiley or not.

Its got nothing to do with hate, I think he's a lovely person,its just an observation. He does more stupid things than most which is what has held him back for so long. He is poor at reading the game and decision making. I think you'd find Macca agrees with me.

[stellation]

Its got nothing to do with hate, I think he's a lovely person,its just an observation. He does more stupid things than most which is what has held him back for so long. He is poor at reading the game and decision making. I think you'd find Macca agrees with me.

Our captain behaving like a petulant child probably isn't the best case to put forward to make your point.

[Triple B]

Our captain behaving like a petulant child probably isn't the best case to put forward to make your point.

Not to mention it was far from a slam dunk that White could find McVeigh still in the clear by the time the ball reached him with a pass anyway. From my vantage point down the ground he wasn't in the huge amount of space his reaction would have us believe. Whilst as a general rule Jesse would be best served to have a look and weigh up his options, I thought McVeigh was very tough on him in that particular incident.

[Bloodthirsty]

Not my decision but it will happen. If it was my decision I'd drop White in a heartbeat. He doesn't have a brain. So you're probably glad i'm not the Coach

Reid does nothing - get over it. He's not ready yet and maybe never will be, and White is having an impact.

[DK_]

Not to mention it was far from a slam dunk that White could find McVeigh still in the clear by the time the ball reached him with a pass anyway. From my vantage point down the ground he wasn't in the huge amount of space his reaction would have us believe. Whilst as a general rule Jesse would be best served to have a look and weigh up his options, I thought McVeigh was very tough on him in that particular incident.

I agree. I watched it on TV and thought, given Jesse's range, the set shot was an easier kick than trying to nail McVeigh on the run with Tigers breathing down his neck.

It's also great to have someone in the team who takes a mark on the 50 and confidently walks back to slot the set shot. While we've got a few who kick from there on the run, and there's a few examples of singular shots over the last couple of years (nice one BJ!), there are few if any who have a consistent, long set shot like Jesse seems to have.

Reid - definitely not
Pyke - usually hands off to midfielder on the run if he's past 30-40m
Goodes - maybe, but probably not past 40
LRT - usually lacks distance
Jetta - better on the run
JPK - sometimes, but usually on the run
Morton - more of a close-in snap sort of guy


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[aardvark]

Reid does nothing - get over it. He's not ready yet and maybe never will be, and White is having an impact.

Career stats White Kicks 4.7, HB. 3.6, Disp 8.3, Marks 3.7, Goals 1.0. DT Ave 43
Reid 5.9 4.3 10.1 3.9 1.1. 58

If Reid is doing nothing Jesse is doing less. But don't let facts get in the way!

[Bloodthirsty]

Career stats White Kicks 4.7, HB. 3.6, Disp 8.3, Marks 3.7, Goals 1.0. DT Ave 43
Reid 5.9 4.3 10.1 3.9 1.1. 58

If Reid is doing nothing Jesse is doing less. But don't let facts get in the way!

We're talking about this year. Are you suggesting that that means come this September, Reid will clearly be a more physically imposing body, superior contested mark and a more acurrate set-shot for goal than White? Reid was dropping uncontested sitters before he got injured.

People talk about Reid as though he's a Darling or a Cameron - but he's not. No yet at least.

I just want to see him earn his place, that's all. Nothing controversial about that, I wouldn't think, especially for someone who is developing and in a perpetually indifferent vein of form.

[wolftone57]

Not my decision but it will happen. If it was my decision I'd drop White in a heartbeat. He doesn't have a brain. So you're probably glad i'm not the Coach

I wonder if you said the same thing about Teddy a couple of years ago Aardvark? Maybe you say it about Reg now as well, I am not a huge fan of Reg's decision making and handball or short kicking either I must admit. Did you decide Mal was for the scrap heap when he went through his downer? I thought he should have been dropped, he deserved to be and a rocket it was for him. But this Jesse HATE is just a bit too much from Swans supporters. It peeves me no end. Have a listen to what the players are saying mate. They seem to love the bloke and are genuinely really happy for him he is playing REALLY well.

the bloke has gone back to NEAFL level and done everything asked of him. He has honed his game there and now that he is back in the Seniors all that hard work is paying off. Give him the credit due in that he has put his career on the line and is starting to actually believe that he is good enough at this level. By the way he is good enough, not only that he is a potential match winner.

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Our captain behaving like a petulant child probably isn't the best case to put forward to make your point.

Jesse had a shot at goal instead of giving the ball to Macca, unfortunately he turned hid back on play, thsat is a no no! But the way Macca carried on was not the way a captain should present himself to his charges. Childish, petulant, derogatory. There was no certainty that he was a better option anyway as he had two tigers chasing him. But the irony of the situation is Macca on the run ignores two players in a better position and has a ping, misses. Nobody carried on like pork chop/i said pork not lamb but he was told by one player on the way past him of the irony of his outburst at Jesse. Macca SHOULD have passed that ball off as it would have been a certain goal.

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I agree. I watched it on TV and thought, given Jesse's range, the set shot was an easier kick than trying to nail McVeigh on the run with Tigers breathing down his neck.

It's also great to have someone in the team who takes a mark on the 50 and confidently walks back to slot the set shot. While we've got a few who kick from there on the run, and there's a few examples of singular shots over the last couple of years (nice one BJ!), there are few if any who have a consistent, long set shot like Jesse seems to have.

Reid - definitely not
Pyke - usually hands off to midfielder on the run if he's past 30-40m
Goodes - maybe, but probably not past 40
LRT - usually lacks distance
Jetta - better on the run
JPK - sometimes, but usually on the run
Morton - more of a close-in snap sort of guy


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reid can hit it from 50 he just can't hit it from 10 or 20.

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We're talking about this year. Are you suggesting that that means come this September, Reid will clearly be a more physically imposing body, superior contested mark and a more acurrate set-shot for goal than White? Reid was dropping uncontested sitters before he got injured.

People talk about Reid as though he's a Darling or a Cameron - but he's not. No yet at least.

I just want to see him earn his place, that's all. Nothing controversial about that, I wouldn't think, especially for someone who is developing and in a perpetually indifferent vein of form.

I agree with this and I am a bit sick of players being given an 'untouchable' status which allows them to automatically come back into the team. I don't care who they are even if it was Pratt, Skilton, Bedford, Kelly, Plugger, Leo, Kirky and i could keep naming them they should not have had a walk up start after a long term injury. If a player is out for more that 3 weeks his match fitness begins to really suffer and he NEEDS to come back through the Twos. I don't care who he is and most of our injuries are 6 weeks or more.

[DK_]

Career stats White Kicks 4.7, HB. 3.6, Disp 8.3, Marks 3.7, Goals 1.0. DT Ave 43
Reid 5.9 4.3 10.1 3.9 1.1. 58

If Reid is doing nothing Jesse is doing less. But don't let facts get in the way!

2013 Stats (which are probably the most important for 2013):

White K 6.6 H 3.7 D 10.3 M 3.7 HO 4 T 1.6 G 1.7
Reid K 6.1 H 4.7 D 10.8 M 3.8 HO 0 T 2.4 G 0.7

Reid is clearly better in tackles only. When you consider that White played 2 games practically underwater, 2 games as a Ruckman and was sub for one game, he's looking pretty impressive. What I like most is the improvement from the career stats that you've quoted. I think there's a real chance that it won't end up being White v Reid, but Reid might be finding himself in a swingman position at the expense of a forward flank or halfback flank. Particularly as he is agile enough to play in a non-key position.

Having said all that - I don't agree with Bloodthirsty's post that you replied to either. Reid does add a lot to the team and I'll be surprised if Horse doesn't find a spot for him. I also don't place too much stock in big stat numbers - they should be taken with a pinch of salt and consideration of team structures etc. If you want to rack up big numbers and be on everyone's dream team, you should be playing in black and white. If you want to play a role in a winning team, the bloods are for you. Swans players simply don't rack up consistently large numbers, as the performance of my Swans-heavy dream team will attest to!

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I wonder if you said the same thing about Teddy a couple of years ago Aardvark? Maybe you say it about Reg now as well, I am not a huge fan of Reg's decision making and handball or short kicking either I must admit. Did you decide Mal was for the scrap heap when he went through his downer? I thought he should have been dropped, he deserved to be and a rocket it was for him. But this Jesse HATE is just a bit too much from Swans supporters. It peeves me no end. Have a listen to what the players are saying mate. They seem to love the bloke and are genuinely really happy for him he is playing REALLY well.

the bloke has gone back to NEAFL level and done everything asked of him. He has honed his game there and now that he is back in the Seniors all that hard work is paying off. Give him the credit due in that he has put his career on the line and is starting to actually believe that he is good enough at this level. By the way he is good enough, not only that he is a potential match winner.

I agree with all of this. I find it a bit much when discussion of relative merits of players turns into downright derision as well. They're all far better players than I ever was or could have been, so I'm in no position to put them down.

Jude, Lamb and Jesse seem to have developed a great relationship. Jude is the first to congratulate Jesse when things go well and was waiting for him after the interview on Sunday night to give him the first pat on the back.

I've got to say that, when I'm out at the game, I see a pack forming under a high ball and see Jesse lining up in the van, I'm already on my feet, and I think Jesse loves the opportunity to do it too. The man can leap when he gets a clear run at it! Seems to be happening more each week too as his confidence builds!

In a similar manner that White is no longer dealing with the expectation that he replace BH like for like, and is therefore enjoying his footy, I wonder whether Reid will benefit from the release of all that pressure on his young shoulders? Hard to say, everyone reacts differently, but he strikes me as someone who'll do well without the spotlight on him for once.

[royboy42]

I wonder if you said the same thing about Teddy a couple of years ago Aardvark? Maybe you say it about Reg now as well, I am not a huge fan of Reg's decision making and handball or short kicking either I must admit. Did you decide Mal was for the scrap heap when he went through his downer? I thought he should have been dropped, he deserved to be and a rocket it was for him. But this Jesse HATE is just a bit too much from Swans supporters. It peeves me no end. Have a listen to what the players are saying mate. They seem to love the bloke and are genuinely really happy for him he is playing REALLY well.

the bloke has gone back to NEAFL level and done everything asked of him. He has honed his game there and now that he is back in the Seniors all that hard work is paying off. Give him the credit due in that he has put his career on the line and is starting to actually believe that he is good enough at this level. By the way he is good enough, not only that he is a potential match winner.

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Jesse had a shot at goal instead of giving the ball to Macca, unfortunately he turned hid back on play, thsat is a no no! But the way Macca carried on was not the way a captain should present himself to his charges. Childish, petulant, derogatory. There was no certainty that he was a better option anyway as he had two tigers chasing him. But the irony of the situation is Macca on the run ignores two players in a better position and has a ping, misses. Nobody carried on like pork chop/i said pork not lamb but he was told by one player on the way past him of the irony of his outburst at Jesse. Macca SHOULD have passed that ball off as it would have been a certain goal.

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reid can hit it from 50 he just can't hit it from 10 or 20.

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I agree with this and I am a bit sick of players being given an 'untouchable' status which allows them to automatically come back into the team. I don't care who they are even if it was Pratt, Skilton, Bedford, Kelly, Plugger, Leo, Kirky and i could keep naming them they should not have had a walk up start after a long term injury. If a player is out for more that 3 weeks his match fitness begins to really suffer and he NEEDS to come back through the Twos. I don't care who he is and most of our injuries are 6 weeks or more.

There is always the exception isn't there?

Round 1, 1972 and a bloke named Hudson had eight before halftime. Carted off with a crook knee.

Next sighting of this Hudson fella was Round 8,August 1973...slapped 8 big ones against Collingwood that day.

Next sighting was 1977 season with the Hawks for a lazy 110 for the season.

I suspect his 77 pre season was not like the deal our guys go through these days, and the odd kick around in Tassie was hardly the gruelling preparation for an 8 goal return in August 73.

So I guess you never say never, champs are champs.

[Doctor]

I agree. I watched it on TV and thought, given Jesse's range, the set shot was an easier kick than trying to nail McVeigh on the run with Tigers breathing down his neck.

It's also great to have someone in the team who takes a mark on the 50 and confidently walks back to slot the set shot. While we've got a few who kick from there on the run, and there's a few examples of singular shots over the last couple of years (nice one BJ!), there are few if any who have a consistent, long set shot like Jesse seems to have.

Reid - definitely not
Pyke - usually hands off to midfielder on the run if he's past 30-40m
Goodes - maybe, but probably not past 40
LRT - usually lacks distance
Jetta - better on the run
JPK - sometimes, but usually on the run
Morton - more of a close-in snap sort of guy


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Everitt - Yes

[DK_]

Everitt - Yes

Fair point. Hard to forget his effort against Geelong last year!

[CureTheSane]

But don't let facts get in the way!

Don't let the stats get in the way
Stats can be twisted and turned and don't allow for many different permutations

Regardless, for me, I've never seen the star in Reid that many others do.
Even many commentators mention Reid as being out and pass over Shaw.
Right now I'm more excited by White, he's always had the spark, but never the form to ignite it.

[BillyRayCypress]

Our captain behaving like a petulant child probably isn't the best case to put forward to make your point.

It was the best part of the game when McPuff was made to look like a goose by Jesse.

Saw Reid arriving at the ground just before 4 pm and Mattner standing out the front of Gate E trying to call someone on his mobile with about 15 minutes to go in the last quarter.