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  • stellation
    scott names the planets
    • Sep 2003
    • 9721

    #16
    Originally posted by Triple B
    From memory, all of them and pretty bloody well except Vespa.

    Cotchin, Big Boy McEvoy, Cyril, Brad Ebert and Vespa were the five main characters from memory.

    I've got that book packed away somewhere, I must drag it out for a re-read because it covers all the draftees in some way, it will be interesting to see how they all got on...
    I don't really read sports books at all, but I was given that book when it came out and flicked through the first page and ended up reading the whole thing. I thought it was well structured, fairly well written and was just fascinating as an insight into elite juniors.
    I knew him as a gentle young man, I cannot say for sure the reasons for his decline
    We watched him fade before our very eyes, and years before his time

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    • Doctor
      Bay 29
      • Sep 2003
      • 2757

      #17
      Originally posted by Jewels
      Yes, but according to Emma Quayle in "The Draft" he would only go to a Melbourne club so there was no way we would have gotten him.
      I'm sure Micky O and Goodesy would have worked on him had we been interested. I know you don't want to draft a player who doesn't want to play for you, but you can't make demands of where you'll play when you're drafted. That's for pre-season drafts and free agents!
      Today's a draft of your epitaph

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      • magic.merkin
        Senior Player
        • Jul 2008
        • 1199

        #18
        Originally posted by Doctor
        I'm sure Micky O and Goodesy would have worked on him had we been interested. I know you don't want to draft a player who doesn't want to play for you, but you can't make demands of where you'll play when you're drafted. That's for pre-season drafts and free agents!
        He was also hard to deal with and pouty during draft interviews. This coupled with his desire to play in Melboune my guess is the no dickheads policy was invoked.

        Regardless i'm sorry to hear for Vez. Afterall he is young kid still who has just lost his dream.

        However we as supporters can still put this to the side to discuss the draft, and yes another missed opportunity for our first round picks. And as stated another reality to check for Dre. Up and at em for this weekend!

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        • Triple B
          Formerly 'BBB'
          • Feb 2003
          • 6999

          #19
          Originally posted by magic.merkin
          He was also hard to deal with and pouty during draft interviews. This coupled with his desire to play in Melboune my guess is the no dickheads policy was invoked.
          My read was that he was 'hard to deal with and pouty' because he was desperately homesick and feeling pretty lonely. As a rule the indigenous boys do seem to suffer from that more due to life in the big smoke and the club environment being so far removed from where they have come from.

          Doesn't make him a dickhead in my books.
          Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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          • magic.merkin
            Senior Player
            • Jul 2008
            • 1199

            #20
            Originally posted by Triple B
            My read was that he was 'hard to deal with and pouty' because he was desperately homesick and feeling pretty lonely. As a rule the indigenous boys do seem to suffer from that more due to life in the big smoke and the club environment being so far removed from where they have come from.

            Doesn't make him a dickhead in my books.
            Nor mine, I just think the club thought it too much effort on the back of some failed prior first rounders.

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              #21
              Originally posted by magic.merkin
              Nor mine, I just think the club thought it too much effort on the back of some failed prior first rounders.
              Besides Rioli, there were plenty of other good picks in the teens that we could have taken instead of Vez: Brad Ebert, Jack Grimes, Harry Taylor, Alex Rance and Callam Ward. It was a pretty bad choice given the talent that came out of the top twenty.

              We also bombed out by taking Meredith with our second pick.

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              • BeeEmmAre
                Commentary Team Captain
                • Aug 2005
                • 2509

                #22
                Interesting to note that of 69 players drafted in 2007, only 38 are still on AFL lists with Vespa's departure. Of those 38, nine are at different clubs. We have two - Tony Armstrong (58 via Adelaide) and Craig Bird (59).

                Some good names there http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/f...?year=2007&t=N

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                Interesting to note that of 69 players drafted in 2007, only 38 are still on AFL lists with Vespa's departure. Of those 38, nine are at different clubs. We have two - Tony Armstrong (58 via Adelaide) and Craig Bird (59).

                Some good names there http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/ft_drafts?year=2007&t=N
                "It's up to the rest of the players in the room to make a new batch of premiership players next year," Adam Goodes, triple Bob Skilton Medallist, October 7, 2011.

                YOU BETCHA!!!!!!

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                • Ludwig
                  Veterans List
                  • Apr 2007
                  • 9359

                  #23
                  To see Veszpremi squeezed in there between Dangerfield and Rioli really makes me sick to my stomach. What were we thinking?

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                  • jono2707
                    Goes up to 11
                    • Oct 2007
                    • 3326

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Ludwig
                    To see Veszpremi squeezed in there between Dangerfield and Rioli really makes me sick to my stomach. What were we thinking?
                    From what I recall Vespa was pretty much as highly rated as those other two. I didn't think at the time we had gone out on a limb or anything by picking him. It just seems that he was never able to build the motor needed to help him succeed - whether that was an attitude thing or something else - just shows that drafting still isn't an exact science....

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                    • Ludwig
                      Veterans List
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 9359

                      #25
                      Very true indeed jono. We were all so excited after his first few games as well. He really did looked like a star in the making.

                      There is a better hit rate with the top picks, but plenty of gems further down in the draft, and the rookie draft as well.

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                      Very true indeed jono. We were all so excited after his first few games as well. He really did looked like a star in the making.

                      There is a better hit rate with the top picks, but plenty of gems further down in the draft, and the rookie draft as well.

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                      • Swansongster
                        Senior Player
                        • Sep 2008
                        • 1264

                        #26
                        Originally posted by BeeEmmAre
                        Interesting to note that of 69 players drafted in 2007, only 38 are still on AFL lists with Vespa's departure. Of those 38, nine are at different clubs. We have two - Tony Armstrong (58 via Adelaide) and Craig Bird (59).

                        Some good names there http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/f...?year=2007&t=N
                        Thank God for Chook at pick 59. Not our finest year at the drafting table

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                        • Ruck'n'Roll
                          Ego alta, ergo ictus
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 3990

                          #27
                          Originally posted by jono2707
                          From what I recall Vespa was pretty much as highly rated as those other two.
                          Otherwise he wouldn't have featured in the draft book. We absolutely should have taken Callan Ward, that boy was born to the redandwhite!

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                          • Jewels
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Oct 2006
                            • 3258

                            #28
                            Anyone who has read the book might get a better insight into what the recruiters saw in him.
                            From memory (and apologies if I get this wrong, i read the book when it first came out and i'm old, so the memory isn't what it once was) he was a good junior but struggled with weight and fitness so he set himself a program to lose weight and gain fitness and excelled and i remember thinking when reading the book, how that resolve would have probably been a much bigger plus in The Swans recruiters eyes then most others. Something like that anyway...

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                            • On-Baller
                              On the Rookie List
                              • Mar 2011
                              • 283

                              #29
                              Really sad to hear, so much talent wasted. I remember when he kicked 4 against the lions early on in his career and i thought we had found another Nick Davis type. Unfortunately never got anywhere near it.

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                              • Primmy
                                Proud Tragic Swan
                                • Apr 2008
                                • 5970

                                #30
                                A genuine shooda cooda player. I think he found his life outside footy was more in keeping with his persona. I liked him. Thought he could have made it, but that is no guarantee is it. We have players on our list who were "never going to make it", so there you go. We draft them as kids (most of the time) and their wants/needs/ambitions are not settled at that age.
                                If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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