Game Day Thread: Qualifying Final Sydney Swans vs Hawthorn Hawks

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  • Primmy
    Proud Tragic Swan
    • Apr 2008
    • 5970

    mutter mutter mutter.

    I have seen worse....but not for a while......and not with such bad timing.
    If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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    • Swanno
      On the Rookie List
      • Sep 2012
      • 34

      I get that our strategy is to bomb it in long, hopefully grab a mark and at the worst keep it in a eventually force a goal out of sheer will. But in the forward 50 and in fact around the ground, when we went long we had absolutely no crumbers, the players have to decide who is gonna fly and who is gonna stay on the ground and impact the following contest. I was especially frustrated with our kick outs, sometimes it was 3 on 3 but all our players went for the ball, if two or even just one had stayed on the ground we may have been able to break. This is what was happening last year.

      As it is, we kick it out and it comes straight back in with our defence all scrambling and free men everywhere. Even my missus, who knows nothing about football was saying, "what is the point of kicking it there, they never get the ball". That is definitely at least one area that needs improving, and there are a lot of areas

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      • The Big Cat
        On the veteran's list
        • Apr 2006
        • 2355

        Ah, here we go again. It's a wonder that the "How Long Longmire?" thread hasn't resurfaced. The bald reality is that with the injuries we've had it is an amazing effort that we even made the top four. The truth is the new kids have been able to hold the fort against the mediocre teams but the big guns show up the inexperience and put pressure on the older guys who have busted a gut to keep us competitive and are now feeling the effects. If by some twist of fate we get through to face Hawthorn again I wouldn't bet against us knocking them off. They tend to choke a bit when there's no second chance and those pretty little kicks don't always hit their targets, plus they play through Franklin a lot and his kicking is dodgy.

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        Originally posted by Melbournehammer
        Funny isn't it. We end up with three talls, having blown the entire recruiting budget on one of them, where can really only play two.

        Strange that most everyone on here has reached the same conclusion - albeit one which is the opposite of the coaching staff
        I know who I'd back!
        Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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        • Sandridge
          Outer wing, Lake Oval
          • Apr 2010
          • 2073

          .Quoted post deleted
          Yes, you're certainly entitled to have an opinion. And so is everyone else. If you don't like your opinion being challenged, don't join a forum.
          Last edited by liz; 9 September 2013, 01:48 PM. Reason: Quoted post deleted

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          • Triple B
            Formerly 'BBB'
            • Feb 2003
            • 6999

            Lol @ the usual game thread comments. Some people should get there Internet access rescinded during game time to save themselves the embarrassment.
            Driver of the Dan Hannebery bandwagon....all aboard. 4th April 09

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            • Ludwig
              Veterans List
              • Apr 2007
              • 9359

              Clarkson commented that his team was better prepared this year coming into the finals. He rested players during the season so they would be fresher at the pointy end of the season. Perhaps this is the most telling point. Longmire is not inclined to rest senior players, even against weak teams. Having so many injuries makes this strategy even more difficult.

              The huge differential in uncontested marks is the best indication of the gap in the comparative fitness levels of the 2 teams.

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              • swansrob
                Senior Player
                • May 2009
                • 1265

                Theory: The Swans threw the game last night as a way to get some extra game time into some underdone players.

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                • Melbournehammer
                  Senior Player
                  • May 2007
                  • 1815

                  Originally posted by The Big Cat
                  Ah, here we go again. It's a wonder that the "How Long Longmire?" thread hasn't resurfaced. The bald reality is that with the injuries we've had it is an amazing effort that we even made the top four. The truth is the new kids have been able to hold the fort against the mediocre teams but the big guns show up the inexperience and put pressure on the older guys who have busted a gut to keep us competitive and are now feeling the effects. If by some twist of fate we get through to face Hawthorn again I wouldn't bet against us knocking them off. They tend to choke a bit when there's no second chance and those pretty little kicks don't always hit their targets, plus they play through Franklin a lot and his kicking is dodgy.

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                  I know who I'd back!
                  Oddly enough I agree with you. But there is something wrong with the way we are playing currently. And it has been there for the whole second half of the season, which has coincided with the tall heavy structure. It might be personnel, execution or game plan. But whichever it is, 2013 is looking beyond us (although freo if they were to upset Geelong opens up our side of the draw, assuming we were to win next week).

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                  Originally posted by Ludwig
                  Clarkson commented that his team was better prepared this year coming into the finals. He rested players during the season so they would be fresher at the pointy end of the season. Perhaps this is the most telling point. Longmire is not inclined to rest senior players, even against weak teams. Having so many injuries makes this strategy even more difficult.

                  The huge differential in uncontested marks is the best indication of the gap in the comparative fitness levels of the 2 teams.
                  The skill level also (which may be related to fatigue) and pace, and personnel. Last night saw smith burn off hanners, hill burn past mcveigh, breust do the same to Grundy, and whitecross made mal look slow.

                  On the other hand in the critical five minutes, Richards missed a target, jack missed a target and bird and Grundy missed targets. That leaves to one side hanners passing to roughhead on the fifty.

                  I think some criticism must be made of the coaching as well. Once they started to pass it around we persisted with the loose man at the back, which meant they were able to work the ball methodically to our fifty without ever looking to pass the ball near traffic. Their spare man kept popping up in the centre of the centre square and we were so disorganised thereafter as each defender successively had to go to the next player in the chain. The refusal to back the defenders to win one on one meant that the hawks were able to kick it repeatedly to the one on none.

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                  • ShockOfHair
                    One Man Out
                    • Dec 2007
                    • 3668

                    When we beat the Pies in round 9(?) Buckley said we had eight or nine endurance runners and were capable of running any team off the park.

                    So how is it we were so lacking in legs last night when we had so much tank in round 9. Or was BECAUSE we had so much tank then?

                    I can't see that our structure or strategy could be to blame when we matched it with the Hawks in the first half. The only difference was our players started to tire badly in the third quarter. The third quarter! Was it because too many players have had to shoulder too much of the load because of injuries? Because the game plan relies too much on spread for the players' fitness levels across a whole season? Because the Hawks are just super-fit?

                    We were fantastic in the first half. We just ran out of petrol tickets. We've done well to get this far. Let's see what happens next week.
                    The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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                    • Auntie.Gerald
                      Veterans List
                      • Oct 2009
                      • 6477

                      it is simple

                      our style of football works when our midfield wins the ball more then the opposition and if this fails our style of football works if we force more turnovers on our opposition !

                      we didnt do that last night !
                      "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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                      • Zlatorog
                        Senior Player
                        • Jan 2006
                        • 1748

                        Originally posted by swansrob
                        Theory: The Swans threw the game last night as a way to get some extra game time into some underdone players.
                        He, he this is funny!

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                        • hot potato
                          Sir Ashmole Gruntbucket
                          • Jun 2007
                          • 1122

                          I've got a friend who takes Nil , zero, no interest in any sport , doesn't support any team, he doesn't put himself through any of this .
                          DOES he need help or do I.

                          Best
                          HP
                          "He was proud of us when we won and he was still proud of us when we lost' Tami Roos about Paul Sept 06.

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                          • annew
                            Senior Player
                            • Mar 2006
                            • 2164

                            Originally posted by hot potato
                            I've got a friend who takes Nil , zero, no interest in any sport , doesn't support any team, he doesn't put himself through any of this .
                            DOES he need help or do I.

                            Best
                            HP
                            You do but he misses the excitement.

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                            • crackedactor
                              Regular in the Side
                              • May 2012
                              • 919

                              Originally posted by swansrob
                              Theory: The Swans threw the game last night as a way to get some extra game time into some underdone players.
                              Oh I see, that is what happened,I thought this was the case. The Bookies are offering 10/1 about winning the flag. Time to get on!! who is brave enough???

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                              • aardvark
                                Veterans List
                                • Mar 2010
                                • 5685

                                Originally posted by crackedactor
                                Time to get on!! who is brave enough???
                                Not me!

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