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  • msb
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    • Mar 2006
    • 827

    #46
    Just bring in FIT players, whether they are kids or not, give them finals experience and not worry about the result. We are not going to win the flag and a win next week allows us to play freo in Perth in a preliminary with them wanting to make their first GF! No way known we would win that, don't mean to be negative but it has got to the stage, due to injuries, we need to look towards 2014 and come back fit and firing.

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    • dimelb
      pr. dim-melb; m not f
      • Jun 2003
      • 6889

      #47
      I think one of the worst decisions was to give Jesse the job of minding Hodge. Reminds me of the sorcerer and the apprentice. Hodge requires a hard-nosed defensive forward, otherwise he sets up play after play. He is probably the single most destructive force on the ground, along with Roughead.
      Another thing that bothers me over the last few weeks is the way we win the clearance, i.e. get first hands on the ball, and within two or three passes the opposition has it. There is something the matter with our centre set-up and the lack of positioning to enable (relatively) uncontested ball movement.
      Also we need to give some thought to regaining our run out of the back. Malceski is doing OK, but his strength is more in his penetrating kick rather than sheer pace; we are really missing Shaw, and I don't think we have a ready-made replacement. Perhaps it's the sort of job Harry C can do, but I doubt that he's quite ready for it just yet.
      Rampe is already a good player, and perhaps he's the one who can give a chop out for Ted and Reg occasionally. We could do a bit more of that.
      And last but not least, crumbing. Benny can do it, but doesn't seem to be in position often enough. The one I'd like to see on the job is Morton.
      He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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      • Ludwig
        Veterans List
        • Apr 2007
        • 9359

        #48
        Originally posted by JudesaGun
        Do you think there is anyway the coaching staff drops Mumford over White?
        I think they'll all stay. The 4 big men have done genereraly well this year and it's the best setup we have given available personnel. More of a problem for next year.

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        • wolftone57
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          • Aug 2008
          • 5857

          #49
          Originally posted by crackedactor
          To be honest I think we need to drop Tippett and realize that recruiting him was a mistake. Ever since he has come into the side at the half way mark our form has been ordinary, I cannot recall any great performances. Not like the Collingwood, Adelaide and Essendon performance prior to KT. I am not sure if other players are upset about his big money or they are just bombing forward to him all the time without any thoughts processess? I thought our efforts last week was our best for some time and there was no KT. Maybe we could trade him to Melbourne for pick 2 next season?
          It is obvious to me the game-plan is to bomb high into Tippett and the resting ruck but we have had no crumbers. I would rather we played the leading game we played the week before. Tippett is as good if not batter at that. I think Horse has misconceived the type of player KT is, all indications from his previous form is that he plays his best footy on the lead.

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          • Ludwig
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            • Apr 2007
            • 9359

            #50
            Originally posted by dimelb
            I think one of the worst decisions was to give Jesse the job of minding Hodge. Reminds me of the sorcerer and the apprentice. Hodge requires a hard-nosed defensive forward, otherwise he sets up play after play. He is probably the single most destructive force on the ground, along with Roughead.
            Another thing that bothers me over the last few weeks is the way we win the clearance, i.e. get first hands on the ball, and within two or three passes the opposition has it. There is something the matter with our centre set-up and the lack of positioning to enable (relatively) uncontested ball movement.
            Also we need to give some thought to regaining our run out of the back. Malceski is doing OK, but his strength is more in his penetrating kick rather than sheer pace; we are really missing Shaw, and I don't think we have a ready-made replacement. Perhaps it's the sort of job Harry C can do, but I doubt that he's quite ready for it just yet.
            Rampe is already a good player, and perhaps he's the one who can give a chop out for Ted and Reg occasionally. We could do a bit more of that.
            And last but not least, crumbing. Benny can do it, but doesn't seem to be in position often enough. The one I'd like to see on the job is Morton.
            Totally agree. I don't know how this happened. Also your suggestion of putting Benny on him is a good one. I think Benny needs to be a tagger. You've got to put a smart player on Hodge. Bird is the other possibility. The problem with Hawthorn is that too many of their players need to be tagged. Maybe we should ask Ross Lyon what to do?

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            • wolftone57
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              • Aug 2008
              • 5857

              #51
              Originally posted by The Big Cat
              And some people call themselves supporters!

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              Get some form for what? If you do as you suggest, there'll be no next week to get form for!
              Crap. At least they are fit and are going to give a whelp. Hannas was gone by half time and had 13 possies on a wing. Jetts had 4 in almost a half of footy. Morton had 4 in less that a quarter last week. Rohan has had 5,7,4 & 3 and as much as I am a huge fan of Rooster it is time to bite the bullet and get him right for next year. Compare the stats of Biggs 18 can play wing, morton 4 from less than a quarter & Lamb's last game as a forward which got him dropped was only 6, 3 more than Rohan this week and 2 more than Rohan last week. Read the stats BC!

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              Originally posted by ernie koala
              Unfortunately, I doubt they'll make many changes...just forced ones.

              No doubt Goodes will come in...probably as sub.

              Which will leave us with unfit...Goodes, Hannas, Jetts, Gaz...and a very sore/ unfit McVeigh....Hope I'm wrong, and they bring in some fit, fresh players...

              As far as I'm concerned a fit fresh first gamer is better than a labouring unfit veteran.

              It seems no matter how much coaches talk about only playing fit players, they almost always go for unfit seasoned players, over fit unseasoned players.
              I agree Ernie and there seems to be a pecking order at the Swans. I think Longmire could lose the confidence of the younger players by playing unfit players. Players won't play for a coaching panel that doesn't believe in them. They have done the hard yards and now are being overlooked by the coaching staff in place of players who are obviously not right. There was a definite doubt on Hannas fitness and that games proved just how unfit he was. He should never have been given the all clear. Matt Cameron avoided saying Hannas was fit to go in the injury report last week. He will always say a player is fit to go if he believes they are.

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              Originally posted by JudesaGun
              Some clueless people here.

              "Drop Tippett"... well, that doesn't deserve a response.
              Hanners won't be dropped unless he can't walk.
              I don't get the criticism of Jetta. He came on when the game was almost over and, whilst he didn't get a heap of touches, he looked more composed and delivered the ball better than almost by one else from our team.
              A big has to go and I think White offers the least.
              We missed Lamb's skill and nouse up forward so he comes in.
              I love Jude but I think if he's carrying any sort of injury he has to miss.
              I like Biggs as his replacement as he showed good decision making ability and might allow McVeigh to drift into the midfield a bit more.
              Rohan should be sub an Jetta should be a full game.
              Tippett and Pyke up forward with McGlynn (who needs to lift), Lamb, Mitchell and one of our mids drifting through.
              This attitude that 'Hannas would not be dropped if he can't walk' is not a good indictment of our football club and it's policies around the playing of fit players. It is simple, if a player is not fit he should put his own hand up and say "I am unfit!" for the good of the team. If not the coaches should make the hard decisions. Our coaches don't seem capable of that and at the moment seem shuttered in their approach. Bringing Sammy back too early, Hannas too early, what if he had gotten injured again? Jetts not fit and should not have played. Benny came back too early too and was not ready. We have done this too often this year. I don't know why the coaches have been rushing players back because the young blokes have been doing the job. Someone said we shouldn't take inexperienced players into a final, well what do you think Richmond and Carlton are going to do take experienced players in? How can they very few of their sides have played in a final. Port are a good example of an inexperienced team up against a very finals experienced team and they shat on Pies.

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              • barry
                Veterans List
                • Jan 2003
                • 8499

                #52
                Selections need to think of the next three weeks, not just next week. If a player needs a rest, rest him. If a player needs game time, play him. Id risk goodes, jetta against tiges/blues if it gave them the conditioning required for prelim/granny.

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                • annew
                  Senior Player
                  • Mar 2006
                  • 2164

                  #53
                  Originally posted by barry
                  Selections need to think of the next three weeks, not just next week. If a player needs a rest, rest him. If a player needs game time, play him. Id risk goodes, jetta against tiges/blues if it gave them the conditioning required for prelim/granny.
                  No point conditioning players for games you may not get to.

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                  • crackedactor
                    Regular in the Side
                    • May 2012
                    • 919

                    #54
                    Outstanding point , Best post for some time. I known KT got talent but they way he is being used is hindering us rather than helping, something has to change.

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                    • MightyBloods
                      Regular in the Side
                      • Feb 2012
                      • 532

                      #55
                      Doc Larkins on 3AW just gave an injury summary from the finals games that have been completed. He said:

                      McVeigh- Bone on bone bruising (will struggle to come up....normally several weeks to repair)
                      Hanners - Similar to McVeigh. Been carrying it for weeks and struggled in the second half.
                      Bolton - Knee, doubtful.
                      Rohan - Sore calf. Common with players coming back after a serious leg break (ie Nathan Brown, Goose McGuire). Struggled to run in the 2nd half.

                      The above, with an under done Jetta, and you can see why we faded in the last half. The message. You may get away with one injured/under done player but not several in a final. We need fit legs so we need to bite the bullet and go with some players who can give us a contest. I also feel that we are one tall too many up forward.....we need more movement/flexibility. Membrey, Cunningham, Biggs, Lamb, Morton need to be considered. Not all ins but I think we need to make at least 4 changes to be some chance progressing deeper this month. The selectors need to be courageous this week.

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                      • liz
                        Veteran
                        Site Admin
                        • Jan 2003
                        • 16773

                        #56
                        Originally posted by MightyBloods
                        Doc Larkins on 3AW just gave an injury summary from the finals games that have been completed. He said:

                        McVeigh- Bone on bone bruising (will struggle to come up....normally several weeks to repair)
                        Hanners - Similar to McVeigh. Been carrying it for weeks and struggled in the second half.
                        Bolton - Knee, doubtful.
                        Rohan - Sore calf. Common with players coming back after a serious leg break (ie Nathan Brown, Goose McGuire). Struggled to run in the 2nd half.
                        That is illuminating. I watched the game live (ie at the ground) and haven't watched a replay (I won't be) so wasn't aware we had so many players carrying injuries. Hanners I knew was, and I saw Rohan limping at some point. McVeigh had a shocker for him, so it is reassuring to know injury is some explanation. I think you can also add Tippett to the list. Whatever kept him out last week was clearly still troubling him.

                        Biggs in for Macca, if Macca can't come up (or shouldn't even try). Jed for Bolton, Harry for Hanners (though I suspect they may try and nurse Hanners through). If Rohan really is sore, maybe it's worth risking Goodes in his place. Alternatively, Membrey would be the next best option, unless they want pace, in which case Towers.

                        Would be a shame for many of those players to miss their own GF next weekend, though.

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                        • The Big Cat
                          On the veteran's list
                          • Apr 2006
                          • 2356

                          #57
                          Originally posted by wolftone57
                          Crap. At least they are fit and are going to give a whelp. Hannas was gone by half time and had 13 possies on a wing. Jetts had 4 in almost a half of footy. Morton had 4 in less that a quarter last week. Rohan has had 5,7,4 & 3 and as much as I am a huge fan of Rooster it is time to bite the bullet and get him right for next year. Compare the stats of Biggs 18 can play wing, morton 4 from less than a quarter & Lamb's last game as a forward which got him dropped was only 6, 3 more than Rohan this week and 2 more than Rohan last week. Read the stats BC!
                          Obviously the big change this week will be the coaches. Out: Longmire and his Premiership coaching team. In: Wolfbrain and his malcontents!
                          Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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                          • ugg
                            Can you feel it?
                            Site Admin
                            • Jan 2003
                            • 15970

                            #58
                            Originally posted by liz
                            That is illuminating. I watched the game live (ie at the ground) and haven't watched a replay (I won't be) so wasn't aware we had so many players carrying injuries. Hanners I knew was, and I saw Rohan limping at some point. McVeigh had a shocker for him, so it is reassuring to know injury is some explanation. I think you can also add Tippett to the list. Whatever kept him out last week was clearly still troubling him.

                            Biggs in for Macca, if Macca can't come up (or shouldn't even try). Jed for Bolton, Harry for Hanners (though I suspect they may try and nurse Hanners through). If Rohan really is sore, maybe it's worth risking Goodes in his place. Alternatively, Membrey would be the next best option, unless they want pace, in which case Towers.

                            Would be a shame for many of those players to miss their own GF next weekend, though.
                            McVeigh's injury occurred right at the end though so we can't really use that as an excuse. In any case Doc Larkins has a very suspect record in diagnosing players off the footage
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                            • billyboob
                              On the Rookie List
                              • May 2012
                              • 220

                              #59
                              Originally posted by ugg
                              McVeigh's injury occurred right at the end though so we can't really use that as an excuse. In any case Doc Larkins has a very suspect record in diagnosing players off the footage
                              Might as well rely on anything BT has to say.

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                              • annew
                                Senior Player
                                • Mar 2006
                                • 2164

                                #60
                                So experts are we fit enough to beat the Blues??????

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