Jed Lamb trade - Poll

[Ludwig]

Players who have previously been on an AFL list are allowed to name their terms in the ND. They have been for a few years now. Luke Ball was taken at pick 30 by the Pies when they couldn't reach a trade agreement with St Kilda. He didn't join the Pies on a basic first year salary.

Yes, they can name their terms, but I remember the Pies sweating it out till pick 30 because anyone could have taken him.

[ugg]

I think out best hope is for Everitt to declare for GWS and then we can package the two of them for pick 29

Edit: I see pick48 went to Brisbane in the Polec trade

[giant]

I think out best hope is for Everitt to declare for GWS and then we can package the two of them for pick 29

Edit: I see pick48 went to Brisbane in the Polec trade

Yeh, if we want to whinge about our draft picks then have a look at what's happening to poor old Brissie.

That will be us in a few years' time without COLA.

[Auntie.Gerald]

Yes, they can name their terms, but I remember the Pies sweating it out till pick 30 because anyone could have taken him.

the agreed salary for Ball was reported at $500k pa hence making it more difficult for others to chime in before the pies that year

[Ludwig]

I think out best hope is for Everitt to declare for GWS and then we can package the two of them for pick 29

Edit: I see pick48 went to Brisbane in the Polec trade

I missed the transfer of pick 48.

I also think packaging the 2 for pick 29 is close to the best we can expect. If they trade Josh Bruce for pick 41 from the Saints, maybe that will be included as well. That would make is fair trade IMO.

I noticed that WCE game pick 28 for Elliot Yeo, which is a similar situation to Lamb, and a pretty fair trade as these things go. Yeo was a draft pick 30, but I believe has increased his market value since then, perhaps due to a fair chunk of playing time.

Not a long wait now.

[liz]

The difference, though, is that the Giants have the first pick in the PSD and thus don't have to trade, especially if they only want Lamb and not Everitt.

[ugg]

And the latest Fairfax article suggests Everitt's choice is between Carlton, who have offered money and more 'opportunity' and staying with us. Saints likely to keep Pick 41 to use in the Billy Longer trade meaning we're quite unlikely to get anything meaningful for Lamb. It may all hinge on how many trades GWS are involved in the last day, Darley seems to be out the door, and it seems they're still keen to bring in experienced bodies.

[Ludwig]

And the latest Fairfax article suggests Everitt's choice is between Carlton, who have offered money and more 'opportunity' and staying with us. Saints likely to keep Pick 41 to use in the Billy Longer trade meaning we're quite unlikely to get anything meaningful for Lamb. It may all hinge on how many trades GWS are involved in the last day, Darley seems to be out the door, and it seems they're still keen to bring in experienced bodies.

Sounds like Josh Bruce goes to the Saints in the PSD and Lamb to the Giants. Shame we couldn't do a swap, but it seems Bruce already has a deal with StK.

[Mug Punter]

Players who have previously been on an AFL list are allowed to name their terms in the ND. They have been for a few years now. Luke Ball was taken at pick 30 by the Pies when they couldn't reach a trade agreement with St Kilda. He didn't join the Pies on a basic first year salary.

Well i fail to see why they need to have them separate...if teams can't find enough draftable picks to get their minimum then they would have to upgrade a rookie and go harder at the rookie draft.

[R-1]

Players who have previously been on an AFL list are allowed to name their terms in the ND. They have been for a few years now. Luke Ball was taken at pick 30 by the Pies when they couldn't reach a trade agreement with St Kilda. He didn't join the Pies on a basic first year salary.

I think there is a subtle difference though, which is that the Pies took him and then offered a contract of their choosing. I seem to recall Tippett didn't enter the ND because of the different arrangements?

With the PSD, as Tippett did, players nominate their contract terms in advance and the first club who wants to meet them can draft them.

Thus the AFL can argue there is no restraint of trade because players can ultimately set their own conditions of employment. This feature is the sole reason the PSD exists. If they could help it the AFL would prefer no PSD (or free agency) because it (they) gives big players power and undermine central control and equalisation for clubs and Commission.

[wolftone57]

I am really angry we wouldn't or couldn't match the GWS offer. We are losing one of our potential stars to the mob over the road. They are going to be much better next year with the experience they have traded for. Add Jed and you have a very potent forward/mid who knows how to play the Swans way. Add to that Mummy another Swan and there is a big culture change that will be inflicted on the Giants.

[Ludwig]

I am really angry we wouldn't or couldn't match the GWS offer. We are losing one of our potential stars to the mob over the road. They are going to be much better next year with the experience they have traded for. Add Jed and you have a very potent forward/mid who knows how to play the Swans way. Add to that Mummy another Swan and there is a big culture change that will be inflicted on the Giants.

You can see why the Melbourne clique are so angry about the COLA. We've got a big bag of cash, but GWS have a Giant bag of cash. Add PSD pick 1 to that, and you have an unmatchable formula.

[Zlatorog]

So, who or what is to blame for the Lions lost of 5 players in a very short time (due to players' home sickness)? COLA or in-club fighting? It looks like dejavu to me that once happened to the Swans.

[wolftone57]

So, who or what is to blame for the Lions lost of 5 players in a very short time (due to players' home sickness)? COLA or in-club fighting? It looks like dejavu to me that once happened to the Swans.

The Lions were a basket case under the previous management. They were losing money, their facilities were run down and they treated theri players with distain. There was a culture of older players and young players. In other words if you were sa part of the clique then you were ok but if you were one of the up and commers you got slagged and the attitude of the senior players was a disgrace. This is what the reportage from Brisbane is saying and Lethal has backed that up saying he can't believe the toxic atmosphere at the club. His statement was 'who wants to come into a club where the atmosphere is toxic and younger players are treated differently to experienced players. There are definitely two tiers happening here and that doesn't make a cohesive group.'

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All academic, Lamb to go into the preseason draft and GWS will get him for nothing.

[spiffy-dude]

I am really angry we wouldn't or couldn't match the GWS offer. We are losing one of our potential stars to the mob over the road. They are going to be much better next year with the experience they have traded for. Add Jed and you have a very potent forward/mid who knows how to play the Swans way. Add to that Mummy another Swan and there is a big culture change that will be inflicted on the Giants.

No we are not, enough with the hyperbole. Relax and enjoy the ride!

You are a very negative poster, you seem to hsve this need to trash our club all the time and when there is a positive you seem to find the negative in that! And dont give me this excuse that you are an old south man and you dont want the club going down the same path again. If anything having experienced that period of crapness then you should be enjoying this period of great success and not trashing it.