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  • wolftone57
    Veterans List
    • Aug 2008
    • 5854

    #31
    Originally posted by tasmania60
    Look i know people aren't going to like this but Mc glyn back to Melbourne , jetta if he puts another bad year ,and here it comes Goodes . Just 3 lot of money tied up, i know goodes is a champ but look know how many can do his job .Mc glyn is vastly over rated and so is jetta .
    I don't see Jetts as being overrated at all. He was struck down with injury in 2013 and his delivery was sadly missed. He can swivel, look and then deliver a 50m pass onto a player's chest. That is brilliance and he is also sensational when in full flight. He will be great for us this year.

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    • Mr Magoo
      Senior Player
      • May 2008
      • 1255

      #32
      Originally posted by Matt80
      What about Heriter Lumumba from Collingwood?

      He looks like he would value a fresh start, looks like he would appreciate the quiet life of Sydney, and he is an excellent medium/tall backman.

      I'm not sure how much money he is worth, but he strikes me as a guy who could fit well into the Swans system and he would like the lifestyle in Sydney.
      Talking Collingwood. What about Harry OBrien. He hasnt always seemed a happy chap.

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      • wolftone57
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2008
        • 5854

        #33
        Originally posted by Triple B
        I'm another who fails to understand all the negativity around Jets. He was leading goalkicker from a wing/HFF and as influential as anybody in a premiership year just 18 months ago.

        You can forget his entire 2013. You don't develop shin splints overnight and I have no doubt his early season struggles were a direct result of that injury until they decided they needed to pull the pin and give him an extended rest in an effort to get him right for later in the year.

        He is the best field kick in the team by a mile, the quickest in the team by an inch and now into his 5th season, so ripe to blossom.

        There sure are some tough markers in RWO land...
        I totally agree. Jetts is one of the most exciting players in the AFL. It would be sad to lose him. I also agree that last year's early form was due to the shin splints injury. He seemed in pain and every effort seemed to hurt. So forget 2013 and look to 2014 and Jetts and Gazza being the mean speed machines.

        - - - Updated - - -

        Quite frankly I don't think we need any recycled players. I think we would be better drafting a couple of young defenders not buying old as we don't need them yet. We need to develop them for the future. The future looks like being tall so we need to go tall and mobile/fast.

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        • goswannies
          Senior Player
          • Sep 2007
          • 3049

          #34
          Originally posted by Matt80

          McGlynn, Bird and Nick Smith, I think are a chance to return to Melbourne in the coming years.
          Given Bird was a NSW scholarship player/recruit, why would he "return" to Melbourne? McGlynn just resigned until 2016. That's 0 for 2 so far. Hopefully Nick Smith will make it 3 strikes on your prediction on Swans' return to Melbourne

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          • goswannies
            Senior Player
            • Sep 2007
            • 3049

            #35
            Originally posted by tasmania60
            Look i know people aren't going to like this but Mc glyn back to Melbourne.Mc glyn is vastly over rated.
            Horse disagrees - keeping the overrated gopher for another couple of years

            I'm ok with that

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            • 707
              Veterans List
              • Aug 2009
              • 6204

              #36
              Only players we will be recruiting in the next few years will be cheap ones!

              Very important to lock in those you already have rather than chasing new ones and our cap will be at it's max until we have a few retirees.

              Remember that the Melbourne squad was paid almost as much as the other squads last year despite being a heap of spuds so some of them are on decent coin and Frawley would be one of them. Frawley therefore won't to be going anywhere for more money, just moving to play in a good side for similar money - money we don't have :-(

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              • Chookbilly
                Sniffing out the pill
                • Mar 2007
                • 393

                #37
                Originally posted by 707
                Only players we will be recruiting in the next few years will be cheap ones!

                Very important to lock in those you already have rather than chasing new ones and our cap will be at it's max until we have a few retirees.

                Remember that the Melbourne squad was paid almost as much as the other squads last year despite being a heap of spuds so some of them are on decent coin and Frawley would be one of them. Frawley therefore won't to be going anywhere for more money, just moving to play in a good side for similar money - money we don't have :-(
                Frawley is actually outside the top 25% earners list this year at MFC, hence why he is an unrestricted free agent. His contract was heavily front loaded.
                Ed Considine's day out - Round 3, 16th April 1995.
                11 Kicks, 13 Handballs, 8 Marks, 1 Goal, 1 Behind, 1 Tackle, 1 Hitout, 3 Brownlow votes (his only votes)
                Ed = God

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                • Dosser
                  Just wild about Harry
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 1833

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Chookbilly
                  Frawley is actually outside the top 25% earners list this year at MFC, hence why he is an unrestricted free agent. His contract was heavily front loaded.
                  On SEN the other day they were saying that he 'may' go for $800k, even thought that will be overs.

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                  • Blood Tunnel
                    Pushing for Selection
                    • Aug 2008
                    • 65

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Dosser
                    On SEN the other day they were saying that he 'may' go for $800k, even thought that will be overs.
                    ............and they have the audacity to question us for paying Buddy 750K in each of his first two years.

                    This FA will be fun to watch in the next few years while our young guns are getting signed. by the Swans.

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                    • 0918330512
                      Senior Player
                      • Sep 2011
                      • 1654

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Matt80
                      McGlynn, Bird and Nick Smith, I think are a chance to return to Melbourne in the coming years.

                      Originally posted by goswannies
                      Given Bird was a NSW scholarship player/recruit, why would he "return" to Melbourne? McGlynn just resigned until 2016. That's 0 for 2 so far. Hopefully Nick Smith will make it 3 strikes on your prediction on Swans' return to Melbourne
                      Picked with Nostradamus like accuracy. Good work. Nay-Sayers be humbled
                      Last edited by 0918330512; 18 March 2014, 12:07 AM.

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                      • Matt80
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Sep 2013
                        • 1802

                        #41
                        Originally posted by 09183305
                        Picked with Nostradamus like accuracy. Good work. Nay-Sayers be humbled


                        With the COLA ruling the Swans will have to trade out some players in the coming years to remain within the cap!

                        As fans we all have this misguided notion that players at Sydney want to stay here so badly that they will work for sub standard wages!

                        Players will look at Mummy's $650,000 wage figure at another club and the recent treatment of ROK to know that footballers have a short productive life span and have to get the best deal for themselves! Not all former footballers have the talent of a Leo Barry to transition well to another career and there is not the room in the commentary or football systems for all former footballers to remain in the game. Some will know this and will take the best deal to protect there later lives after football!

                        I'm not a naysayer, but a realist. Why should a good Swans player cop $ 350,000 when they could get $650,000 at another club! It's a huge difference over three years! This will happen more with good Swans players if we are not a top four side and as the fallout to the treatment of ROK gathers momentum!

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                        • mcs
                          Travelling Swannie!!
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 8162

                          #42
                          Originally posted by Matt80
                          With the COLA ruling the Swans will have to trade out some players in the coming years to remain within the cap!

                          As fans we all have this misguided notion that players at Sydney want to stay here so badly that they will work for sub standard wages!

                          Players will look at Mummy's $650,000 wage figure at another club and the recent treatment of ROK to know that footballers have a short productive life span and have to get the best deal for themselves! Not all former footballers have the talent of a Leo Barry to transition well to another career and there is not the room in the commentary or football systems for all former footballers to remain in the game. Some will know this and will take the best deal to protect there later lives after football!

                          I'm not a naysayer, but a realist. Why should a good Swans player cop $ 350,000 when they could get $650,000 at another club! It's a huge difference over three years! This will happen more with good Swans players if we are not a top four side and as the fallout to the treatment of ROK gathers momentum!
                          Matt80, your misunderstanding how the COLA is applied if you think we will have to trade players to 'remain within the cap'. The removal of the COLA has no impact on our cap situation (unless we have been doing dodgy things), as it is simply reflected in the fact we pay COLA on top of their actual contracted amount as required under the cap. It is not included as part of the Salary Cap per say. Therefore, the removal of the COLA will not force us to trade players to remain within the cap. If we want to trade players, or players can get better deals elsewhere, that is a different story.
                          "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                          • Matt80
                            Suspended by the MRP
                            • Sep 2013
                            • 1802

                            #43
                            Originally posted by mcs
                            Matt80, your misunderstanding how the COLA is applied if you think we will have to trade players to 'remain within the cap'. The removal of the COLA has no impact on our cap situation (unless we have been doing dodgy things), as it is simply reflected in the fact we pay COLA on top of their actual contracted amount as required under the cap. It is not included as part of the Salary Cap per say. Therefore, the removal of the COLA will not force us to trade players to remain within the cap. If we want to trade players, or players can get better deals elsewhere, that is a different story.
                            Thanks for clarifying the COLA. Does that mean that if a club has a COLA allocation of 10% the number works as follows!

                            Player earning $100,000 a year gets $110,000 ($10,000 extra living in Sydney costs)

                            Player earning $200,000 a year gets $220,000 ($20,000 extra living in Sydney costs)

                            Player earning $900,000 a year gets $990,000 ($90,000 extra living in Sydney costs)

                            I would assume that its possible that a Sydney player on $200,000 a year will be uspset to lose that extra $20,000?

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                            • mcs
                              Travelling Swannie!!
                              • Jul 2007
                              • 8162

                              #44
                              That's my understanding of how it is supposed to work Matt80. That is waht bugs me most abotu the whole COLA argument - the players might get the extra $$$ on top, but their actual contracted amounts (i.e. before COLA) are still all within the Cap. You'd think, listening to the squeal from Melbourne based clubs (and that goose that runs Collingwood), that we have had the 10%ish extra in our cap to spend.


                              I'm sure players in Sydney will not be happy losing the extra top up they recieve, and it may affect contract negotiations etc. But it doesn't mean we have to shed players to stay within the cap when COLA is gone, because we are already inside the cap anyway!
                              "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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                              • Jewels
                                On the Rookie List
                                • Oct 2006
                                • 3258

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Matt80
                                With the COLA ruling the Swans will have to trade out some players in the coming years to remain within the cap!

                                As fans we all have this misguided notion that players at Sydney want to stay here so badly that they will work for sub standard wages!

                                Players will look at Mummy's $650,000 wage figure at another club and the recent treatment of ROK to know that footballers have a short productive life span and have to get the best deal for themselves! Not all former footballers have the talent of a Leo Barry to transition well to another career and there is not the room in the commentary or football systems for all former footballers to remain in the game. Some will know this and will take the best deal to protect there later lives after football!

                                I'm not a naysayer, but a realist. Why should a good Swans player cop $ 350,000 when they could get $650,000 at another club! It's a huge difference over three years! This will happen more with good Swans players if we are not a top four side and as the fallout to the treatment of ROK gathers momentum!
                                What treatment of ROK? As far as I've heard he was not in the initial team selection because of match ups, its not like Longmire publically said that he needs to learn his place, or we're not happy with his attitude.
                                Do you know something the rest of us don't or are you simply assuming?

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