Longmire's Coaching

[swanspant12]

I have serious doubts about Longmire's gameplan and coaching and the way it works against good sides. Last night was a perfect example of this gameplan which can easily come unstuck if the opposition coach has any sort of tactical nous. We try to play this "counter attacking" style of footy, however when we run forward of the ball we rarely have any targets in the forward line. Why didn't he move Buddy to the goal square? Or Reid? Buddy and Reid out of the goal square would have kicked 10 against Frost or Brown. Who was on Pendlebury all game? Why was ROK playing as a forward when he's inside midfielder. He offers nothing up forward anymore. His too slow, has no defensive accountability. Put him in guts FFS. He won a bloody norm smith there. I know we won a premiership under Horse, but sides have figured out how to counteract our "slingshot" style of footy. We have to bounce back against Adelaide next week or there will be some serious heat at the club.

[liz]

I do think we are going to find out more about Longmire the coach in the next few months than we have in the last few years. Coaching must seem relatively easy when things are going well. You learn far more when things aren't.

One thing that Hawthorn has done particularly well during the Clarkson reign is continuously reinvent itself, tweak its gameplan. You can also see Lyon evolving his style. Clearly the cattle a coach has at his beck and call is pretty important, but we do have plenty of good players. Can Longmire fashion something new out of what he has available?

[swanspant12]

I do think we are going to find out more about Longmire the coach in the next few months than we have in the last few years. Coaching must seem relatively easy when things are going well. You learn far more when things aren't.

One thing that Hawthorn has done particularly well during the Clarkson reign is continuous reinvent itself, tweak its gameplan. You can also see Lyon evolving his style. Clearly the cattle a coach has at his beck and call is pretty important, but we do have plenty of good players. Can Longmire fashion something new out of what he has available?

Exactly. Hence why Clarko and Lyon are such brilliant coaches. Longmire has tweaked absolutely nothing over the pre season. We still play this slingshot style which is easily unstuck if players aren't running or working hard enough. Hinkley, Clarko and Lyon all play terrific gameplans. I have serious doubts on Horses.

[Melbournehammer]

I do think we are going to find out more about Longmire the coach in the next few months than we have in the last few years. Coaching must seem relatively easy when things are going well. You learn far more when things aren't.

One thing that Hawthorn has done particularly well during the Clarkson reign is continuous reinvent itself, tweak its gameplan. You can also see Lyon evolving his style. Clearly the cattle a coach has at his beck and call is pretty important, but we do have plenty of good players. Can Longmire fashion something new out of what he has available?

Hi Liz,

As someone who admitted to leaving early last week, what was your reaction to this week's performance ?

On topic - I think we have not changed our thinking at all since 2012, although i think we have brought greater speed into the side i suspect so that we could get to the fall of the ball more often when it has been bombed long.

I think his coaching has been hamstrung by his drafting. The hawks have continually recruited really great kickers and over and over they hit targets unless there is fantastic pressure on the ball - we basically have not recruited any great kickers - arguably jetta is very good but is still inconsistent but we have tended to emphasise hardness. Our game plan has been the same since 2003 - make it a really hard contest and attack when we have the ball but make it hard to score against.

we are still reasonably hard to score against. but our attack has been appalling. and i do think this is because our half back line and on ballers simply can't break lines any more - which is the bizarre thing - we seem to have decided to play more pace but it is mostly in front of the ball, where historically it has been behind the ball. what horse would now give for a young tadgh kennelly or even an oldish robert murphy to change things from behind the ball.

the question for horse really is how long he persists with the current structure and playing positions. watching his press conference where he seemed to be banging his pen in an air of quiet desperation i think he is wrestling with that question

[Pmcc2911]

I am glad we have just extended his contract

[dimelb]

Longmire's response:

Longmire up for the fight - sydneyswans.com.au

"some polish issues " - no point blaming the poles, it's not their fault, but there's some logs that need looking at

[Meg]

Longmire's response:

Longmire up for the fight - sydneyswans.com.au

"some polish issues " - no point blaming the poles, it's not their fault, but there's some logs that need looking at

Ah, so all will be solved if the players have shiny boots?

[Wazza]

Agree we should have left buddy deep forward and manned up on Maxwell, why did they let Maxwell dominate in our fwd 50 for so long?? ROK is slow Bird is slow once Rohan came off we lost energy in our fwd 50 ROK had no impact. I don't see how we can play Bird and ROK in same 22 - what happened in a week? did ROK who the week before was too slow suddenly find a few extra yards of pace or who was the ideal match up in the Collingwood MF for him??. The choice of bird as a sub was a shocker towers would have at least given us some run, why have a run with player as a sub??

Longmire needs to watch this one again he was smashed tactically by Buckley and it started Thursday night at selection. The sky hasn't fallen in just dropped a few inches.

Cheers

waz

[Ludwig]

We were always going to give ROK a game sometime. It was probably a collective decision, not just Longmire's. It wasn't a bad time to give it a try since Collingwood are not a fast team and our foward line lacked experience.

Agree with Liz' comment that this is the year that the Horse will be tested as a coach. Time will tell.

[Meg]

Agree with Liz' comment that this is the year that the Horse will be tested as a coach. Time will tell.

Also agree. And the changes need to start to be seen next Saturday.

[Snake]

I have serious doubts about Longmire's gameplan and coaching and the way it works against good sides. Last night was a perfect example of this gameplan which can easily come unstuck if the opposition coach has any sort of tactical nous. We try to play this "counter attacking" style of footy, however when we run forward of the ball we rarely have any targets in the forward line. Why didn't he move Buddy to the goal square? Or Reid? Buddy and Reid out of the goal square would have kicked 10 against Frost or Brown. Who was on Pendlebury all game? Why was ROK playing as a forward when he's inside midfielder. He offers nothing up forward anymore. His too slow, has no defensive accountability. Put him in guts FFS. He won a bloody norm smith there. I know we won a premiership under Horse, but sides have figured out how to counteract our "slingshot" style of footy. We have to bounce back against Adelaide next week or there will be some serious heat at the club.

Spot on, Bird was our sub, he should started from the first bounce and wore Pendlebury like a glove. Cunningham looks promising, but isnt cutting the mustard. Shaw was deplorable, he must be on shaky ground. Why did Horse allow Maxwell to play loose man for so bloody long, when he should have sent Reid forward. Buckley easily out coached him hands down......

[mcs]

Spot on, Bird was our sub, he should started from the first bounce and wore Pendlebury like a glove. Cunningham looks promising, but isnt cutting the mustard. Shaw was deplorable, he must be on shaky ground. Why did Horse allow Maxwell to play loose man for so bloody long, when he should have sent Reid forward. Buckley easily out coached him hands down......

I completely fail to see why we played Bird as the sub. It is a role that does not suit him at all. But on a night like Saturday, Bird should of been one of the first names down on the list in order, as you say, to deal with Pendlebury. Cunningham maybe for the Sub vest -> he certainly is struggling to make an impact, but so is Rohan.

[ernie koala]

I completely fail to see why we played Bird as the sub. It is a role that does not suit him at all. But on a night like Saturday, Bird should of been one of the first names down on the list in order, as you say, to deal with Pendlebury. Cunningham maybe for the Sub vest -> he certainly is struggling to make an impact, but so is Rohan.

Totally agree, why Bird (our best tagger) was put in the vest is perplexing. His pre season form was better than most, and his role in the team is vital.

Since when does a tagger come on, for 1 quarter, and have an impact...ridiculous.

He should of been, and I imagine in future games will be, one of the first picked.

[crackedactor]

Not the problem

We were always going to give ROK a game sometime. It was probably a collective decision, not just Longmire's. It wasn't a bad time to give it a try since Collingwood are not a fast team and our foward line lacked experience.

Agree with Liz' comment that this is the year that the Horse will be tested as a coach. Time will tell.

I cannot believe people at looking at Longmire's coaching as the problem, we have serious issues within the club. Just look at buddy in the last quarter when he had 3 opponents and tussled with his opponents for about 10 seconds, then got a 20 meter kick to three Collingwood players. Why was they no Swans players assisting him, why was the none running past giving him a option for a handball, why was there 3 collingwood players by themselves. The reason, well they decided to sit back and watch buddy. We will not make finals and this club will not win another premiership within the next ten years.

[Matt80]

I do think we are going to find out more about Longmire the coach in the next few months than we have in the last few years. Coaching must seem relatively easy when things are going well. You learn far more when things aren't.

One thing that Hawthorn has done particularly well during the Clarkson reign is continuously reinvent itself, tweak its gameplan. You can also see Lyon evolving his style. Clearly the cattle a coach has at his beck and call is pretty important, but we do have plenty of good players. Can Longmire fashion something new out of what he has available?

Longmire is a superb coach, and does not need to be questioned after two games that have been lost against determined opposition. Ross Lyon is not above Longmire because he is not a Premiership coach. Clarkson had some challenging years at the Hawks after the 2008 Premiership.

Longmire's first three seasons at the Swans are identical to Paul Roos's first three seasons at the Swans. Both won a flag, made a semi-final and made a preliminary final. People think that Paul Roos was the great turnaround specialist at the Swans, but the reality is that he inherited a solid competitive football team from Rodney Eade. Rodney Eade finished at the Swans half way through 2002 when the Swans lost around 6 games with margins less than 10 points.

Football teams lose games; Football teams have players down on form and confidence, Football teams have injuries, Football teams have bad days when things don?t work out.

We are having a down point in the season, but have plenty of time to recover. We may well be a 5-8 placed team this year, but if the team is in hot form in that latter part of the year and have no significant injuries, I would back us to be damaging in the Finals. People will argue that you need to be a top 4 team to have any chance of making the Grand Final, but I seriously believe that Collingwood would have won the flag in 2007, from outside the top 4, if they were not been beaten by Geelong by a solitary 6 points in the Preliminary Final. The key for Collingwood that year was they hit the finals in top form. With our talent we can do the same!