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  • Flying South
    Regular in the Side
    • Sep 2013
    • 585

    Where are we going wrong??

    I read an interesting piece on one the many AFL websites out there. It is primarily about Richmond and the collapse of their game plan. As I was reading it, I thought that it could easily apply to the Swans as well. I have cut and pasted some relevant sections below. If you substitute Richmond with Sydney, Riewoldt with Buddy and Hardwick with Longmire, I think it describes where we are at as well.

    ?At their best, which had been seen ever more consistently over seasons 2012 and 2013, Richmond was one of, if not the, finest exponents of ?fast footy? in the league.

    Their trademark was instinctively switching the ball in the back half, before sweeping it forward with a wave of runners alongside each other, whipping the ball between them with quick handball and finishing it off on the scoreboard.

    The Tigers would run hard, both to create space for a teammate, and also to find it for themselves, which helped when using short kicking to provide death by a thousand cuts. Being in space, and hitting free players, means not having to be as precise with foot skills as you do when under pressure.

    This freedom actually sees you hit more laser passes because there in your mind there is no punishment for error. Hawthorn has turned it into a fine art, but also deliver the same precision when the heat is on.

    The ability to cut a swathe through the middle of the ground with that sort of run and movement can only come from a team consisting of individuals playing with confidence and enjoying their footy. Right now, the opposite applies to every person wearing a yellow and black jumper.

    Playing stagnant football kills you in today?s game. Teams are defensively set up to stifle their opponents, and slow movement of the ball plays right into their hands.

    A player lacking confidence in a team under siege doesn?t want to make a mistake lest he earn the wrath of teammates, coaches and fans. Mainly, he doesn?t want to be the one to let the team down. So he holds onto the ball and does one of two things ? chips it short, often sideways or backwards to a teammate ? or goes long down the line.

    Neither scenario helps his team.

    The sideways chip, when not part of an attacking switch, simply allows the opposition more time to get numbers back and set up their defensive zone perfectly. They can then sweat on the inevitable mistake, when the pressured man with the ball goes short to a fifty-fifty contest, and have an open forward-line to rush the ball back into.

    The long kick down the line isn?t much better. It is almost always to an out-numbered situation that involves the opposition ruckman, at least one key defender and the specialist third-man up.

    Having the entire opposition in between the ball carrier and your forward-line also makes it difficult for leading forwards to find space to work into, and forces them into one-on-three situations (hello, Jack Riewoldt). They become discouraged at their futile leads, and eventually stop working as hard, meaning there are even less options and the vicious circle strangles itself.

    When a team is down on form and confidence, the instinct is to focus on the players, savaging their faults and deficiencies. But the Richmond of 2014 has largely the same players as Richmond of 2013.

    There is a problem when too many limited footballers are in the one side though. Any confidence and form issues are only going to be compounded when the worst of each player is on display.

    Damien Hardwick has built a list of mainly hard-nosed footballers and solid citizens. On their bad days, they?re a bunch of one-paced triers. What his squad is lacking is speed and class. Players who can turn a match when the chips are down.

    Damien Hardwick has built this list, and now it?s up to him to turn it around. He?s been soundly out-coached on more than a few occasions in the last twelve months too. His lengthy honeymoon period is over. It?s grind-it-out time.?

    The full article can be found at After four rounds, Richmond are a rabble | The Roar

    Do you agree that we are in the same boat or do you have other thoughts on our problems?
  • churry
    Warming the Bench
    • Mar 2014
    • 238

    #2
    We are in a similar position and are also favouring the long kick with little to no precision in the games lost.

    Of the 3 games we have lost, they've all been in Sydney, at different grounds and in the wet. The midfield was smashed in each of these games. Lots and lots of bombing the ball down the field aimlessly even when there is no substantial pressure on the carrier mixed with turnovers in the wrong half. Although against the crows it was dry and the midfield was slick. They passed the ball very well and came home with a solid win.

    I think this weekend's game is a scary proposition for the swans but it's also a huge opportunity to bounce back at home.
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    • liz
      Veteran
      Site Admin
      • Jan 2003
      • 16778

      #3
      I believe confidence is the single most significant factor in footy - probably in any team sport. That, and hard work. But players are more inclined to run hard when they believe it will make a difference.

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      • dimelb
        pr. dim-melb; m not f
        • Jun 2003
        • 6889

        #4
        Interesting parallels. And much of it looks all too familiar.
        He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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        • ScottH
          It's Goodes to cheer!!
          • Sep 2003
          • 23665

          #5
          It's a between issue.
          It's going wrong between the centre and the Goal Square.
          It's going wrong between the big tall posts.
          It's going wrong between the big ears.

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          • Ludwig
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 9359

            #6
            I agree with the Richmond analogy. This similar Swans team was moving the ball through the midfield with speed and finesse just a year ago. If the change this year is not Longmire's fault, it certainly is his responsibility to recognise the problem and find a solution. We are playing dumb football. You loose confidence when things don't work, so it's only natural that poor play exacerbates the problems.

            The dynamic on the field during the game is difficult for the fans to assess; that's the job of the coaches and the leaders. Wet weather is not the problem. We were beaten on Sunday by a side that plays under a roof and is noted as a poor wet weather side. We had a lot of wet weather practice this year.

            Successful sides execute under pressure with speed and skill; good sides make good decisions. This is not the Swans this year. I am disappointed in Longmire, because he should have realised that ROK and Derickx were poor selections. It indicates to me that he doesn't understand the situation unless it's beaten into him. It's a real worry.

            There are players that simply should not be playing: ROK, Derickx, Shaw and LRT.

            There are players that are down on form, like Hanners and Mitchell, but don't know what the problem is. You would hope the coach would.

            I don't think we have a problem with the game plan. We have a problem executing the game plan. First we need to make changes to players that are physically not capable to executing well (4 players above). The mental side of things is up to coaches and the playing group to work out.

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            • Matt80
              Suspended by the MRP
              • Sep 2013
              • 1802

              #7
              I don't know Jarod McVeigh, and I don't know what Mckveigh is like around the club or around the group. Can some people in the forum provide some insight into Jarrod's leadership?

              To a spectator, he looks like a traffic cop and looks like he is being very critical of his team mates. He gave Jesse White a spray last season against Richmond before Jesse slotted a goal from 55m.

              Maybe it's part of the leading teams honest feedback ethos, but it does not look good to see him flapping his arms and being so visibly frustrated on the field.

              Can closer to the situation provide some feedback on McVeighs approach?

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              • Meg
                Go Swannies!
                Site Admin
                • Aug 2011
                • 4828

                #8
                This is what John Longmire said about McVeigh after McVeigh 'a best-on-ground performance when we beat Carlton to go through to the prelim final last year. And note that Longmire stresses both on and off the ground leadership.

                "Longmire said one of his co-captains was never going to miss the match and paid credit to how much the 28-year-old had grown, on and off the field.

                "He's developed into just a superb leader," Longmire said. "His ability to be able to lead the group on the ground has been sensational.

                "He really knows his football and he just digs deep and has got an enormous amount of resilience and is fantastic off the ground as well.

                "He's developed into a real high quality leader and to have him and Kieren (Jack) leading the team as well as they do is just a credit to them both."

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                • Jimitron5000
                  Warming the Bench
                  • Oct 2006
                  • 455

                  #9
                  Where are we going wrong can be summed up in two words:
                  Shane Mumford.

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                  • dimelb
                    pr. dim-melb; m not f
                    • Jun 2003
                    • 6889

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Jimitron5000
                    Where are we going wrong can be summed up in two words:
                    Shane Mumford.
                    Who is now having two weeks off after knee surgery.
                    He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                    • snajik
                      Senior Player
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 1115

                      #11
                      Too much facial hair and stupid looking haircuts.
                      Shaw / McVeigh / Jetta now have the exact same heads. Is this a ploy to disguise their blunders?
                      All this hair is weighing them down, making them even slower, particularly in the wet. Why else do swimmers wax?
                      Universal full body waxes by Saturday is what's required, otherwise we'll know they are not taking it seriously.
                      It's very hard to live in a studio apartment in San Jose with a man who's learning to play violin. That's what she told the police when she handed them the empty revolver.
                      The Scarlatti Tilt - Richard Brautigan

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                      • ernie koala
                        Senior Player
                        • May 2007
                        • 3251

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Jimitron5000
                        Where are we going wrong can be summed up in two words:
                        Shane Mumford.
                        Our problems run a lot deeper than Mummy.

                        But I would agree his presence, particularly his bash and crash at stoppages, has been sorely missed.

                        His knee problems though aren't new, and are probably a big reason why the Swans baulked at the long contract he wanted....

                        Mind you it didn't stop them throwing caution to the wind with Buddy's deal
                        Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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                        • Ruck'n'Roll
                          Ego alta, ergo ictus
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 3990

                          #13
                          Dear Flying,
                          The get-out-of-jail long kick along the boundary line only work when you have a powerful ruckman. Richmond miss Maric - we may miss 'The-man-whose-name-must-not-be-mentioned."
                          Best regards
                          XXXX'n'Roll

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                          • bloodsbigot
                            Regular in the Side
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 813

                            #14
                            Originally posted by liz
                            I believe confidence is the single most significant factor in footy - probably in any team sport. That, and hard work. But players are more inclined to run hard when they believe it will make a difference.
                            This I agree with 100%. The problems at the swans at the moment is most likely as simple as this.

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                            • hot potato
                              Sir Ashmole Gruntbucket
                              • Jun 2007
                              • 1122

                              #15
                              'Fast Footy' is so much more exciting to watch, even if it doesn't come off, but you have to get the pill first, and have people in space to enact the tsunami. It breaks down when the paddock up forward is pretty much vacant.
                              "He was proud of us when we won and he was still proud of us when we lost' Tami Roos about Paul Sept 06.

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