Towers - Another 1st round bust?

[Ruck'n'Roll]

The "from pick #22 it's all a lottery" argument raised in this thread has the smell of a threadbare justification. If that assertion was true then we would not see every club put in inordinate efforts to improve their later draft picks (even in this compromised draft it was going on) by means of pick swaps etc. etc.

For what it's worth DA, and I appreciate that this is a personal thing: I certainly suggest there were at least one player that was picked after Towers that would (and indeed should) be getting a game in the currant Swans side . . . Dan Currie.

Although I am warming to DerekX for his effort, I think Dan should have come back to the Swans.
PS Is anyone else puzzled why Steve hasn't got a single one of the young ruckman into the firsts in almost 20 years? He has done terrific work with the rucks we have purchased from elsewhere, but the draftees get nowhere. Weird!

[liz]

For what it's worth DA, and I appreciate that this is a personal thing: I certainly suggest there were at least one player that was picked after Towers that would (and indeed should) be getting a game in the currant Swans side . . . Dan Currie.

Although I am warming to DerekX for his effort, I think Dan should have come back to the Swans.
PS Is anyone else puzzled why Steve hasn't got a single one of the young ruckman into the firsts in almost 20 years? He has done terrific work with the rucks we have purchased from elsewhere, but the draftees get nowhere. Weird!

Not sure that is entirely accurate. Didn't James Meiklejohn once play a senior game...?

[Meg]

Mike Pyke?

[Matt80]

Glad to be on a less controversial forum. What about Adam Goodes? He was a Brownlow winning ruckman in 2003. After early 2004 was never played in the ruck again.

[Triple B]

Stephen Doyle?

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Ricky Mott?

I'll take my hat and leave now......

[DA_Swan]

The "from pick #22 it's all a lottery" argument raised in this thread has the smell of a threadbare justification. If that assertion was true then we would not see every club put in inordinate efforts to improve their later draft picks (even in this compromised draft it was going on) by means of pick swaps etc. etc.

For what it's worth DA, and I appreciate that this is a personal thing: I certainly suggest there were at least one player that was picked after Towers that would (and indeed should) be getting a game in the currant Swans side . . . Dan Currie.

Although I am warming to DerekX for his effort, I think Dan should have come back to the Swans.
PS Is anyone else puzzled why Steve hasn't got a single one of the young ruckman into the firsts in almost 20 years? He has done terrific work with the rucks we have purchased from elsewhere, but the draftees get nowhere. Weird!

I have always thought that the swans would be pushing to have the opportunity to trade future draft selections like they do in the NFL/NBA to reduce the need to relocate and develop as many young players as our recent history show that we get better results with experienced players than drafting especially it would seem with first round selections. Given that we keep less players on our list and do not use all of our selections it is pretty clear that we are not a club committed to maintaining our position via the national draft and long term development.

I understand where your coming from re Currie and was glad he did well in SANFL - was unlucky with us and would have been a brave call to bring him back when clubs like to look forward rather than back - fresh change has worked for him and will be interesting to see how he goes - I don't know if North can play both him and Goldstein together and think he will go better as the main ruck if he gets the opportunity.

I hope Tom D takes a contested mark soon - he certainly knows how to crash a pack with a bit of collateral damage at times - maybe the ruck coach's physical style takes a big toll on young ruckman as we have found out over the years - Mike Pyke was already strong enough to handle the contest

[goswannies]

Simon Feist

[ugg]

Not all the ruckmen we recruit are successful either. Paul Chambers and Mark Seaby come to mind although in the latter's case he did have a handful of good games

[Matt80]

We are judging the November 2012 draftees (Towers, Marsh, Dick and Membery) toughly because they are still to make a senior team debut.

Do people who watch the reserve games regularly think that the November 2013 draftees (Jones, Hewitt, Toby N and Alire) will get a senior debut in 2014. If so, which one is most likely?

We have 9 guys on our senior list who are yet to debut at the senior level.

It must be hard for those 9 guys as the next cabs of the rank are Mitchell, Rohan and Brandon Jack.

ROK wants to get back in the senior team, with Tippett and San Reid to come back into the senior mix in the next two weeks.

If there are no senior injuries, then there are going to be at least two senior guys coming out to make way for Reid and Tippett.

Tom Walsh is close to a reserve return and he will be fighting tooth and nail in the reserves to earn another contact.

I don't see how any of those 9 guys will earn a senior debut any time soon!

[ernie koala]

Simon Feist

Groan...I'd all but forgotten the forgetable Feist.

[Foreign Legion]

Feist was a pretty good novelist.

I believe it was Feast.

[ernie koala]

We are judging the November 2012 draftees (Towers, Marsh, Dick and Membery) toughly because they are still to make a senior team debut.

Funny how it works out..

All four 2012 draft picks are yet to play seniors.

All 4 rookies have played seniors....Lloyd, X Richards, Rampe, B Jack....Also rookie upgrade Cunningham

[ugg]

We are judging the November 2012 draftees (Towers, Marsh, Dick and Membery) toughly because they are still to make a senior team debut.

Do people who watch the reserve games regularly think that the November 2013 draftees (Jones, Hewitt, Toby N and Alire) will get a senior debut in 2014. If so, which one is most likely?

We have 9 guys on our senior list who are yet to debut at the senior level.

It must be hard for those 9 guys as the next cabs of the rank are Mitchell, Rohan and Brandon Jack.

ROK wants to get back in the senior team, with Tippett and San Reid to come back into the senior mix in the next two weeks.

If there are no senior injuries, then there are going to be at least two senior guys coming out to make way for Reid and Tippett.

Tom Walsh is close to a reserve return and he will be fighting tooth and nail in the reserves to earn another contact.

I don't see how any of those 9 guys will earn a senior debut any time soon!

Jones Nankervis and Aliir have already been named as emergencies this year. Towers this year and last and Membrey last year emergencies. Marsh and Dick have improved from last year though

[Matt80]

Who do people think will still be on the senior list in 2015 out of Towers, Dick, Marsh, Mebrey or Jordan Lockyer in 2015?

Biggs will need to be upgrade or delisted as he is a 3rd year Rookie. X Richards, Naismith, Robinson and Lloyd will complete there second year as Rookies and there is only one spot for a 3rd year Rookie. Who will that 3rd year spot likely go to?

There are some decisions to be made at the end of 2014. If Goodes body is good and he plays well during the rest of 2014, then he may play on. I think ROK is done and Ryce Shaw is not far behind!

[Ludwig]

I figure we got a pick worth one in the 20s with Membrey and one in the 40s with Towers, so it sort of evens out. I feel Membrey is the closest of the 2012 senior listed draftees to making it at senior level. Marsh and Dick have made good progress this year, so hard to write them off. Towers has got the athleticism you want from a modern day player, and does use it sometimes to good effect, but just not often enough.