vs Melbourne match thread

[Big Al]

100% He may have been the main man at Hawthorn, but he also had some pretty useful assistants in Roughie, Hale, Gunston, & Cyril helping him out. Currently its only him, and it was absurd on Saturday night to see him having to contend with up to 3 defenders all at once. He may be good but even Plugger struggled under these similar circumstances.

Sums it up perfectly.

Watch what he does to defences when he's able plays higher up the ground with only 1 defender to deal with. Exciting times ahead.

Plugger would never be double teamed. He'd let the second defender know very politely that it probably wasn't a good idea. Many mysterious hamstring strains in defenders can be traced back to a chat with Plugger.

[Matt80]

Rest easy Doc, I think the issue might've been that Matt80 implied in a post that Plugger wasn't double teamed too much:



(I guess that's how the quote might be interpreted anyway)

& it was pointed out in response (as you also did) that he was nearly always double teamed:



Some days he coped (a fair few times he managed ok with 10+ goals a game) other days he didn't (unfortunately taking a trip or two to the tribunal).

Let's forget Plugger 09183305. In the 80s and 90s there was more space in the forward lines, leading to full forwards having more 100 goal seasons. In those times you also did not have midfielders filling holes and leading space like you do now. Since the year 2000 we have only had Lloyd, Fraser Gehrig and Buddy have 100 goal seasons.

Forget the legends like Plugger, Dunstall, and Ablett, there were also guys like Modra, Brian Taylor, Warrick Capper and Simon Beasily who had 100 goal seasons. Someone like Tim Membrey has similar dimensions to Alan Jacovich and is probably just as talented, but Jacovich had more space in which to operate in the 90s.

Can you say with confidence 09183305, that Brian Taylor, Warrick Capper and Tony Mondra would have been 100 goal a season Full Forwards in today's Football?

I can say with confidence that in the 80s, Sam Reid would have been a 80 goal full forward, Jeremy Cameron would have cracked the 100, Darling and Kennedy would have cracked the 100, Travis Cloke would have cracked the 100 year after year and Buddy would have gone closest to 150.

It's clear that there is far less space for full forwards in modern football compared to the 80s and early 90s

[0918330512]

Let's forget Plugger 09183305. In the 80s and 90s there was more space in the forward lines, leading to full forwards having more 100 goal seasons. In those times you also did not have midfielders filling holes and leading space like you do now. Since the year 2000 we have only had Lloyd, Fraser Gehrig and Buddy have 100 goal seasons.

Forget the legends like Plugger, Dunstall, and Ablett, there were also guys like Modra, Brian Taylor, Warrick Capper and Simon Beasily who had 100 goal seasons. Someone like Tim Membrey has similar dimensions to Alan Jacovich and is probably just as talented, but Jacovich had more space in which to operate in the 90s.

Can you say with confidence 09183305, that Brian Taylor, Warrick Capper and Tony Mondra would have been 100 goal a season Full Forwards in today's Football?

I can say with confidence that in the 80s, Sam Reid would have been a 80 goal full forward, Jeremy Cameron would have cracked the 100, Darling and Kennedy would have cracked the 100, Travis Cloke would have cracked the 100 year after year and Buddy would have gone closest to 150.

It's clear that there is far less space for full forwards in modern football compared to the 80s and early 90s

Dunno about more space - Plugger was a big unit - colossal proportions. Cast a monolithic shadow as the sun set behind him. Didn't leave a lot of space on the tiny dimensions of the SGC

Sam read wouldn't have been a 100 goal forward IMO in any era - can't kick straight enough at this stage.

Taylor no. He was lucky to get 100 kick in his era.

Capper - he'd tell you he would have and who am I to doubt him. Both he & mods should have taken enough grabs to have sufficient set shots to give it a crack (though with the Wiz you have to take into account the fantastic ball delivery - to have Healy, Mitchell, Murphy, Bolton & that plodder Williams delivering the ball to him with precision boosted his numbers markedly - he wouldn't get they same service from any midfield in the comp today). Heck Pratt had the same luxury in the 1930s - on that basis he probably would either. But with the luxury of surgical precision delivery from the midfield they they were both afforded, if we had such midfielders today any number of our forwards would have greater opportunities to score heavily.

[Doctor J.]

Normally agree with you, but not this time Mr BBB. If there was going to be a game he dominated it was against Melbourne, with a severely undersized opponent. I cant think of a worse player in red and white in the past 14 years.
I dont watch ressies so cant comment on the capability of N & N to replace him, but it's a sad indictment of our list management that we can say that he deserves his spot for being capable of running into players without any expectation of him around the ground.

Cant help but feel that as opposed to creating a contest he's a space clogger in our forward line, with little to no hope of having an impact (unless the ball has been blessed by the Messiah).

Aside from giving an early season chop out to Pyke I dont see what else he does. Reminds me of Charlton Hestons role in Waynes World where he replaces a crap actor "I mean I know it's a small part - but surely we can do better than this". If we just want a lump that runs at people, surely we can get someone capable of adding to that brief?

Mark Jamar says Hi. and thanks you for referring to his 198cm 101kg frame as undersized.

Torture Chambers also says Hi, and thanks RWO for annoiting his successor.

[Matt80]

Mark Jamar says Hi. and thanks you for referring to his 198cm 101kg frame as undersized.

Torture Chambers also says Hi, and thanks RWO for annoiting his successor.

I think there is a huge difference between Torture Chambers and Tom D. If my memory serves me correctly didn?t Torture Chambers walk out of the club half way through 2006?

Unlike Torture Chambers, Tom D is enjoying the Bondi Beach lifestyle, and has become good friends with the most famous footballer in the land and his sidekick.

Hanging with the most famous footballer in the land on a famous Sydney beach is a huge turnaround from getting his marching orders from Richmond.

If you ask Tom D, I?m sure he would say that life could not get much better. He is playing regular senior football and creating a contest. He is even clever enough to get free in the goal square with no defenders around.

I?m not sure if any famous Swans players in 2006, took Torture Chambers under their wing. Chambers was not seen having a good time at the beach with Swans teammates like Tom D was.

Tom D will continue improving and he is filled with determination to succced.

[southsideswan]

I am looking forward to Cunningham learning how to get more into the game, because when he gets the ball his disposal is terrific. Lloyd looks like he fits, albeit without any standout features that indicate he's a 100 game player. Certainly handy depth.

ok on my hobby horse Jake Lloyd. I have been away and saw this comment a few days. I started to reply and saw it was Liz's comment. Read all her posts and and have learnt alot as my knowledge base is low. I do question the "no stand out features". The fact I believe are true. 1. kicks most of his goals from about 50 metres out (18 last year) 2. goals to behinds is 60:40 so ok near the top in accuracy 3. One of the best in Club at endurance 4. "appears" to be quick (ish) 5. High tackle count 6. quick thinker, I see some players get the ball and then look for best option, Jake seems to have worked out his options before he gets the ball. 7. High efficiency of disposal (if Melb game an indicator). What he lacks... experience, body hardening seasons of playing, maybe another 5 kg, belief in his ability from other team mates and if possible a little more height. All with time, except maybe the height one.

It is such a hard road that I think the 100, 200 + game club is as much a mental thing as a physical thing.

Anyway that is my thoughts. It appears we have some good young players that are coming through for the future.

[magic.merkin]

I think the hardest thing is finding a position for Jake that suits him best/we have available. Time will tell. He hasn't disgraced himself yet with what he's done. Solid. Ala Biggs IMHO.

[jono2707]

I think there is a huge difference between Torture Chambers and Tom D. If my memory serves me correctly didn?t Torture Chambers walk out of the club half way through 2006?

Unlike Torture Chambers, Tom D is enjoying the Bondi Beach lifestyle, and has become good friends with the most famous footballer in the land and his sidekick.

Just curious on what defines this 'Bondi Beach lifestyle', and whether this assessment is based solely on a few tawdry paparazzi-style photos?

Tom D has certainly been better value than Chambers and seems to be doing what is expected of him so far....

[DamY]

Tom D stays for now. End of.

[goods78]

Just curious on what defines this 'Bondi Beach lifestyle', and whether this assessment is based solely on a few tawdry paparazzi-style photos?

Good question to Matt80 Jono. I was about to ask him the same thing!

[Matt80]

Good question to Matt80 Jono. I was about to ask him the same thing!

It's about being part of wonderful community, built around one of the great natural wonders of the World.

The community is multifaceted and contains all elements of society:

Artists
Hipsters
Surfies
Young White Collar
Young Blue Collar
Trendies
Families
Kiwis
Bohemian identities
Models
The Beautiful People
Sports Stars

The community is built around its famous beach, but locals live the Pubs, Clubs and Restaurants. The Waverley Council heavy car parking fees also deter unwanted visitors.

It's home to Australia's most famous Rugby League player SBW, Cricketer Michael Clarke and AFL Footballer Buddy.

It really is a wonderful place and Swans players love it.

[Jewels]

It's about being part of wonderful community, built around one of the great natural wonders of the World.

The community is multifaceted and contains all elements of society:

Artists
Hipsters
Surfies
Young White Collar
Young Blue Collar
Trendies
Families
Kiwis
Bohemian identities
Models
The Beautiful People
Sports Stars

The community is built around its famous beach, but locals live the Pubs, Clubs and Restaurants. The Waverley Council heavy car parking fees also deter unwanted visitors.

It's home to Australia's most famous Rugby League player SBW, Cricketer Michael Clarke and AFL Footballer Buddy.

It really is a wonderful place and Swans players love it.

Nup, Clarke lives in the shire

[ugg]

It's about being part of wonderful community, built around one of the great natural wonders of the World.

Westfield BJ?

[DamY]

Tom D stays for now. End of.

[Go Swannies]

Westfield BJ?

I hope the wonderful community you speak of is Bondi Junction - or does Westfield offer unexpected wonders?