Round 8 changes V Hawthorn

[Matt80]

In - LRT Tippett

Out - Laidler Pyke

LRT will be able to help down back, where they will need an extra tall and in the ruck. I don't want Laider playing against Gunston or the resting Hawks ruckman.

B.Jack can be the sub again, recognising the fact that he got over two quarters of game time last week.

[Ludwig]

I would be disappointed to see LRT come in for Laidler, who has been solid so far in defence. LRT has been out of from and hasn't played a game in defence for a quite a long time. And he's just a makeshift ruckman anyway, not likely to do better than anyone else we throw in there. And I'm not sure why one might think LRT would do a better job on Gunston than Laidler would.

[billyboob]

In - LRT Tippett

Out - Laidler Pyke

LRT will be able to help down back, where they will need an extra tall and in the ruck. I don't want Laider playing against Gunston or the resting Hawks ruckman.

B.Jack can be the sub again, recognising the fact that he got over two quarters of game time last week.

Laidler needs to stay. He'll never develop the skills needed to play against the best in the league if he doesn't get the opportunity to play on them.

[Matt80]

I would be disappointed to see LRT come in for Laidler, who has been solid so far in defence. LRT has been out of from and hasn't played a game in defence for a quite a long time. And he's just a makeshift ruckman anyway, not likely to do better than anyone else we throw in there. And I'm not sure why one might think LRT would do a better job on Gunston than Laidler would.

I think Liadler has been good, but it's about defensive match ups. Grundy to Roughead, Richards to Gunston, Rampe to Bruest, Smith to Rioli, Shaw to Puoplo. You need someone to match up against Hale or Macvoy. It's either Laidler or LRT. I would back LRT in that match up, remembering the great job he did against Tippett 18 months ago.

LRT also gives you something in the ruck. Sam Reid is not a ruckman and expecting Tom D to go the whole game against these two highly accomplished ruckmen, is to great and ask. Remember Tom D is lining up for AFL game number 9!

[ernie koala]

I think Liadler has been good, but it's about defensive match ups. Grundy to Roughead, Richards to Gunston, Rampe to Bruest, Smith to Rioli, Shaw to Puoplo. You need someone to match up against Hale or Macvoy. It's either Laidler or LRT. I would back LRT in that match up, remembering the great job he did against Tippett 18 months ago.

LRT also gives you something in the ruck. Sam Reid is not a ruckman and expecting Tom D to go the whole game against these two highly accomplished ruckmen, is to great and ask. Remember Tom D is lining up for AFL game number 9!

I agree with this.

Reid isn't a ruckman, his body wouldn't be up to it for starters. Laidler has been going really well, but due to the need for a back up ruckman, LRT fits the bill.

It also means we can leave Reid at CHF, with Tippett deep forward, and Goodsey(if fit) floating between the 2.

[goods78]

In - LRT Tippett

Out - Laidler Pyke

LRT will be able to help down back, where they will need an extra tall and in the ruck. I don't want Laider playing against Gunston or the resting Hawks ruckman.

B.Jack can be the sub again, recognising the fact that he got over two quarters of game time last week.

Well reasoned Matt80 - I like the changes

[aguy]

Nankervis got a mention in the "in the mix" article. Outside chance they mention. I'm sure he won't be selected but it's interesting to see him mentioned

[rb4x]

matt80 I disagree with your matchups. Laidler would be a good match for Gunston leaving Richards on Roughead and Grundy for Hale. Derickx even if completely stuffed would be a better ruckman than LRT who has never shown anything as a ruckman. LRt has really only one position that suits him and that is as a key defender and Ted and Reg are well ahead of him now. He is now just a depth player.

[wolftone57]

In - Tippett, Franklin, LRT
Out - Pyke, Laidler, B.Jack

LRT will be needed as a back up ruckman and the 3rd tall in the backline to cover the rucking and forward marking ability of Hale and McVoy. This will allow Grundy to play on Roughead, Richards to play on Gunston, Rampe on Breust and Smith on Cyril.

When LRT goes into the ruck, then Sam Reid can switch down back and cover the resting ruckman.

Laidler has done nothing wrong, but there is no clear match up for him this week. I certainly would no feel comfortable with him playing on Hale. He comes straight back into the team when the opposition has a smaller forward line.

Franklin's one job against the Hawks is to drag Gibson away from the play. I would not care if Franklin got no touches as long as Gibson had no influence. You would then back Tippett, Goodes and Reid to beat the remaining defenders one on one, as it's likely the Hawks won't have Lake.

I would play Cunningham as the Sub as Lloyd gives you more as a midfielder than Cunningham.

Laidler will play on Gunston.

[wolftone57]

The word from some regulars who watch the reserves is that despite some good performancesToby N is not yet ready for senior AFL Football.

He is only 19, and it would be tough to throw him in against high quality ruckman like Hale and McVoy.

Depending on injures, I would like to see Toby N get a game later in the year against an opposition with a weak and depleted ruck structure.

what is the point of playing Toby against weak or depleted opposition. that will never give us an idea of what he is capable of or more importantly it gives us a false impression.

[wolftone57]

Fantasy/supercoach leagues give a rough indication on how players are going. You are right Lloyd was 10th with 97 pts. If you go by the points then Lewis Jetta was above Parker, Malceski, Shaw, Bird, Goodes, McGlynn etc. and 1 point behind Rampe. From my limited knowledge, and this is definitely not a bag Jetta comment, the fantasy points should not be used to relate to real life contributions.

I agree Fantasy points are bull@@@@. If you really want to rate the players have a look at what the coaches are saying. Lloydy didn't make the top 4 but certainly got mentioned. he got 29 disposals and all but two were beauties. He had an effective disposal percentage of 82.8% on 29 disposals and only Jared McVeigh was better with 88.6 on 35. Tell you anything? Tell you who he mirrors? what he has to do is learn to draw the senior players like Reid & Goodes to his kicks as they are not used to him yet. Buddy seems to know naturally what the kid will do and moves reflexively. I think the big Bud is a greater student of the game and both his opponents and team-mates than people give him credit for.

[wolftone57]

Champion Data.

Macca 135
KJ 133
JPK 130
Hanners 123
Rampe 115
Jets 114
Mal 112
Shaw 110
Parker 102
Lloyd 97

Champion Data wouldn't know if their bums were on fire.
How can a player get 29 disposals at 82.8% and only get 97. Mindboggling. Jetts got 22 at 68.2%, Shaw 27 at 77%, Kizza 26 at 65.4%. Just how do they work this figure out? By the way the play also sees Lloyd as clearly our fourth best, watch the replay, maybe Champion data should do that.

[wolftone57]

I guess what i'm saying is Lloyd had a good contribution for a new player but probably not worthy of a Rising Star nomination.

Why do you say that. He got 29 disposals at 82.8%. What is not Rising Star about that for ****'s sake! He was fourth in disposals, second in efficiency and kicked a goal. His candy dance in the BP was sensational. If this had been Gary Rohan or Tom Mitchell Aardvark you would have been spitting chips if they didn't get a nomination with those numbers. in fact Mitchell did get a nomination with those numbers and his efficiency was not as good.

[wolftone57]

I think Liadler has been good, but it's about defensive match ups. Grundy to Roughead, Richards to Gunston, Rampe to Bruest, Smith to Rioli, Shaw to Puoplo. You need someone to match up against Hale or Macvoy. It's either Laidler or LRT. I would back LRT in that match up, remembering the great job he did against Tippett 18 months ago.

LRT also gives you something in the ruck. Sam Reid is not a ruckman and expecting Tom D to go the whole game against these two highly accomplished ruckmen, is to great and ask. Remember Tom D is lining up for AFL game number 9!

I hate to tell you but Grundy ALWAYS gets the job on the resting ruck. Laidler stays on Gunston, Richards to Roughead and this will be a good match up for Teddy.

[ShockOfHair]

We're not overflowing with choices.

Derrickx - 204cm 96kg - our entire senior ruck department for now
Tippett - 201cm 105kg - won't be risked in ruck
LRT - 194cm 92kg - excellent swingman but out of form, maybe carrying an injury
Reid - 196cm 95kg - swingman in the making, no known ruck experience
Nanko - 199cm 101kg - only played half a dozen reserves games. The biggest body available.

LRT looks the safest, especially with his defensive abilities.