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  • aguy
    Senior Player
    • Mar 2014
    • 1324

    #16
    Part of the fun of posting here is being an armchair expert then seeing how right or wrong we are when those in charge at the club make their decisions.

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    • DA_Swan
      Warming the Bench
      • Feb 2010
      • 322

      #17
      Originally posted by baskin
      I am so tired of all the negativity towards our ruckmen at the moment.
      Pyke... is returning from injury. He handballs because players have obviously been told to run past for a handball. It has been happening for years now. Pyke was running back to the goal square to shepherd what should have been a regulation shot at goal from Goodsey.
      Derricx....is still learning his trade. It was written in an article somewhere that he is working on bodying the opposing ruckman not tap himself.
      In case no one has noticed, our midfielders usually read the opposition ruck taps pretty well. The past couple of weeks they haven't been quite as good at it. Might be something to do with McGlynn & Hanners not being there.
      I'm sure there are more things I could say, however, the coaches, seem to be pretty good at what they do and if they want Derrickx & Pyke in the team at this stage, that is fine by me.
      I suppose we just have to get used to a lower standard of play from our ruckman after the key part our rucks have played over the last 10 years when we regularly won the taps to advantage instead to the opposition

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      • 707
        Veterans List
        • Aug 2009
        • 6204

        #18
        We were lucky to get out of last night with the four points. Has to be one ruckman next week or we'll get beaten for pace.

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        • aguy
          Senior Player
          • Mar 2014
          • 1324

          #19
          Originally posted by 707
          We were lucky to get out of last night with the four points. Has to be one ruckman next week or we'll get beaten for pace.
          Agreed

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          • Ludwig
            Veterans List
            • Apr 2007
            • 9359

            #20
            Pyke at his best is not a bad ruckman. He wins his fair share of ruck contests. He's a very good contested mark and has been an accurate kick for goal. We can only hope that he can regain his form in due course. I'm not worried about his age. He should be able to go for another few years and I think we have a succession plan in place with Naismith and Nankervis.

            As I have said many times, I doubt we will ever see Derickx play good footy. I know Steve Taubert is known as the 'ruck whisperer' but he would become 'the miracle worker' if he could turn Derickx into a good ruckman. Good luck to him.

            We need to push along the succession plan. Nankervis looks like a player. He's got the basics right. I think we have to take a chance and push along his development. Against GWS we should drop Derickx, give Tippo another week to recover and play Nanko.

            I think we might look at developing Allir as a ruckman as well. I like the idea of an athletic player who can complete around the ground.

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            • aguy
              Senior Player
              • Mar 2014
              • 1324

              #21
              Originally posted by Ludwig
              Pyke at his best is not a bad ruckman. He wins his fair share of ruck contests. He's a very good contested mark and has been an accurate kick for goal. We can only hope that he can regain his form in due course. I'm not worried about his age. He should be able to go for another few years and I think we have a succession plan in place with Naismith and Nankervis.

              As I have said many times, I doubt we will ever see Derickx play good footy. I know Steve Taubert is known as the 'ruck whisperer' but he would become 'the miracle worker' if he could turn Derickx into a good ruckman. Good luck to him.

              We need to push along the succession plan. Nankervis looks like a player. He's got the basics right. I think we have to take a chance and push along his development. Against GWS we should drop Derickx, give Tippo another week to recover and play Nanko.

              I think we might look at developing Allir as a ruckman as well. I like the idea of an athletic player who can complete around the ground.
              I'm with you on nanko versus gws

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              • jetts32
                On the Rookie List
                • Oct 2012
                • 200

                #22
                Nankervis - enough said

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                • DA_Swan
                  Warming the Bench
                  • Feb 2010
                  • 322

                  #23
                  Originally posted by jetts32
                  Nankervis - enough said
                  Be nice to debut against a fired up Mummy - welcome to the jungle !!!

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                  • aardvark
                    Veterans List
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 5685

                    #24
                    Anyone who doubts Pykes ability needs to watch the 2012 Grand final again. He just needs game time.

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                    • aguy
                      Senior Player
                      • Mar 2014
                      • 1324

                      #25
                      Just watching the replay on fox. The last goal to franklin was as a result of a boundary throw in. Pyke tapped straight to k jack who then kicked to franklin who got free for being held. Point is that is that goal probably wouldn't have occurred without the tap ruck work of pyke. Yes pyke was sluggish but he got better and better. That's why I think he has more upside than Tom going forward

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                      • jono2707
                        Goes up to 11
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 3326

                        #26
                        Give Mike a couple of weeks to get going and he'll be fine, with Sam to assist. Tom D's been a great back-up , but he's still the back-up....

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                        • Melb Blood Bro
                          On the Rookie List
                          • Jun 2014
                          • 204

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Captain
                          I'm sick of Pyke being a liability around the ground. He has absolutely no confidence in general play kicking and often handballs to a bloke under pressure when kicking would be the better option. He has played long enough now to learn how to kick!
                          He's a great kick in front of goal though. One of our best (accuracy not distance).

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                          • Untamed Snark
                            Senior Player
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 1375

                            #28
                            What was Pyke like as a ruckman after 15 games?
                            He had Mummy to learn from.
                            I remember being impressed but I honestly don't remember how good he actually was.
                            Don't get me wrong, I like Pyke (greatest Canadian to play AFL hands down) I just wonder if Derickx isn't being held up to unreasonable expectations
                            Chillin' with the strange Quarks

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                            • DamY
                              Senior Player
                              • Sep 2011
                              • 1479

                              #29
                              Myke was pretty frustrating to watch in the Richmond game, completely lacking confidence, couldn't hold his feet either. He might be on borrowed time, Horse isn't afraid to put Premiership players out to pasture (PPP).

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                              • Primmy
                                Proud Tragic Swan
                                • Apr 2008
                                • 5970

                                #30
                                You tell'em Snark!
                                If you've never jumped from one couch to the other to save yourself from lava then you didn't have a childhood

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