Changes Round 17 V Carlton

[Flying South]

It's a shame that many people can't see the value of players like Towers, Brandon Jack and Garry Rohan. They are tackling machines. One of their forward line tackles is worth three possessions to another player. Last round Rohan had 8 possessions and 7 tackles. That's like Garry having a 21 possession game.

Yes he had a slightly improved game. But 7 tackles out of 102 tackles I would have thought was about par. Can you tell me the type of tackles he made. We they they on turnovers, chase downs, contested situations. Buddy had 8 tackles himself and he doesn't have the electrifying pace you seem to think is so important. Are you so sure that Membrey couldn't have made those tackles. One thing I am fairly sure about, he would have kicked more than the 2 goals that Rohan has kicked in his 6 games this year. How many tackles is a goal worth?

[Plugger46]

I'm perplexed that a player who is yet to make his debut is being labelled a 'tackling machine'.

[stellation]

I'm perplexed that a player who is yet to make his debut is being labelled a 'tackling machine'.

I dunno, our own head coach came into the big leagues known as a tackle machine.

[Matt80]

Yes he had a slightly improved game. But 7 tackles out of 102 tackles I would have thought was about par. Can you tell me the type of tackles he made. We they they on turnovers, chase downs, contested situations. Buddy had 8 tackles himself and he doesn't have the electrifying pace you seem to think is so important. Are you so sure that Membrey couldn't have made those tackles. One thing I am fairly sure about, he would have kicked more than the 2 goals that Rohan has kicked in his 6 games this year. How many tackles is a goal worth?

I have to pull you up on the "Buddy does not have the electrifying pace".
Buddy would be in the same frame as Rohan and Jetta in any sprint race.

Buddy is the greatest athlete I've ever seen play Australian Rules Football.

[mcs]

It's a shame that many people can't see the value of players like Towers, Brandon Jack and Garry Rohan. They are tackling machines. One of their forward line tackles is worth three possessions to another player. Last round Rohan had 8 possessions and 7 tackles. That's like Garry having a 21 possession game.

The Swans seem to have a tackling KPI of over 80 tackles. When they achieve that KPI, they win more often than not. This is the Longmire system.

The tacking and pressure of Brandon Jack, Garry Rohan and Towers off the subs vest is essential to hitting this tackling KPI. Forward line tackles are also worth more as they allow the midfield and backline to set up the defensive wall.

ROK was playing half forward early in the year and the ball was coming out far too easily. Players like Lloyd, Brandon Jack, Garry Rohan, Harry Cunningham and even Buddy have made it extremely difficult for the ball to be run out quickly by opposition defences.

I know Tackles are a key part of the game, but you surely can't think that we are keeping those players solely in because they make a decent share of tackles. What is towers stats like - is he a tackling machine in the reserves, or is this just pure speculation that he may be?

I don't buy that 8 possession and 7 tackles = 21 possessions. If you are gettin 20+ possessions, then you are also more then likely getting some score assists, or linking up well in play, or getting goals etc. Tackles are very important, but its not the be all and end all of football. I think pressure acts are just as important as actual tackles.

I guess the point is, whilst it is clear the importance of pressure and tackling, I don't think you can carry players solely on this basis. they have to add to the game otherwise as well, which is something Rohan and BJ are struggling to do (although there have been signs in recent weeks of improvement).

[Auntie.Gerald]

some interesting points FS

In last weeks game we almost left Buddy up high by himself or another way of looking at it was WC pushed everyone up field except mcKenzie literally ON Buddy and wasnt that just the worst bloody bear hugging defending you have ever seen !

Rohan was dragged onto the edge of the middle for large parts of the game and I dont think Membrey would have been allowed to stand in the centre of the forward arc by himself with McKenzie

Our other tall Goodes just mainly got off the pack goals from spoils

Reid played swingman

I also think 7 tackles out of 22 players or even call it 21 players to be fair is well above average for that game....... ie that is an average of just under 5 tackles per player against WC (so Rohan was 2 tackles above the average on the field). Tackling is probably in our top 2 of stats ie we have won plenty of games this year if not the majority without being dominant in Hitouts or clearances............we have sometimes not won contested nor disposals and won

where our strength is playing extremely direct footy once we apply a tackle and win the ball.............cause we have the forward to make teams pay

I thought Rohan played ok in the conditions and he kept his spot and selected by much smarter people then me

Rohan did look a little tentative around the mauls for the ball ie he appeared cautious of players sliding in and hitting that leg !

[Auntie.Gerald]

I know Tackles are a key part of the game, but you surely can't think that we are keeping those players solely in because they make a decent share of tackles. What is towers stats like - is he a tackling machine in the reserves, or is this just pure speculation that he may be?

I don't buy that 8 possession and 7 tackles = 21 possessions. If you are gettin 20+ possessions, then you are also more then likely getting some score assists, or linking up well in play, or getting goals etc. Tackles are very important, but its not the be all and end all of football. I think pressure acts are just as important as actual tackles.

I guess the point is, whilst it is clear the importance of pressure and tackling, I don't think you can carry players solely on this basis. they have to add to the game otherwise as well, which is something Rohan and BJ are struggling to do (although there have been signs in recent weeks of improvement).

Just a quick one MCS ..........would it be fair to say that BJ for a fair period now has primarily kept his spot purely to pressure and tackle when the matchups week to week stack in his favour ?

[Matt80]

I know Tackles are a key part of the game, but you surely can't think that we are keeping those players solely in because they make a decent share of tackles. What is towers stats like - is he a tackling machine in the reserves, or is this just pure speculation that he may be?

I don't buy that 8 possession and 7 tackles = 21 possessions. If you are gettin 20+ possessions, then you are also more then likely getting some score assists, or linking up well in play, or getting goals etc. Tackles are very important, but its not the be all and end all of football. I think pressure acts are just as important as actual tackles.

I guess the point is, whilst it is clear the importance of pressure and tackling, I don't think you can carry players solely on this basis. they have to add to the game otherwise as well, which is something Rohan and BJ are struggling to do (although there have been signs in recent weeks of improvement).

It's about tackling, tackling, tacking. This is John Longmire Football.

Jake Lloyd has two possessions and five tackles to half time in the West Coast Game. That is the perfect demonstration of John Longmire Football.

The Forward Pressure is so vital because it allows the midfield and backs the time to set up a strong wall. Brandon Jack and Gary Rohan are doing their jobs. If they get over 10 possessions or kick a goal then that's the cream on the cake.

I'm hoping Towers can come of the Subs vest and give John Longmire three tackles. Possessions are irreverent.

[Flying South]

I thought Rohan played ok in the conditions and he kept his spot and selected by much smarter people then me

I get we are all just passionate fans who have opinions on all things Swans. Nothing gets opinions divided more than selections and trade speculation. There some very knowledgeable and professional people running our football club. Some of the best in the business. Thank goodness. Imagine if you were a Carlton supporter. But I am coming to the realization that when it comes to selection issues I have NFI. I haven't got a single selection decision right this year. Thursday evening is becoming quite frustrating for me. I thought I understood Plan A. But maybe I don't. Turns out I am completely off track with Plan B and I am not even going to speculate on Plan C. For the rest of the year I think I am going to just enjoy the ride and trust that the people who make the decisions in our club know what they are doing. They have done so far.

[Flying South]

The Forward Pressure is so vital because it allows the midfield and backs the time to set up a strong wall.

Kicking a goal allows them more time to set up. Plus you get the extra advert break time as well.

[dimelb]

? I'm hoping Towers can come of the Subs vest and give John Longmire three tackles. Possessions are irreverent.

Is he a bit of a cheeky possum?

[Jewels]

Is he a bit of a cheeky possum?

I laughed!

[ernie koala]

If Horse thought it was all about tackles....

ROK would be captain and be playing every week.

It just isn't that simple.

[Ludwig]

It's about tackling, tackling, tacking. This is John Longmire Football.

Possessions are irreverent.

Should be a great game. Maybe we could have a penalty shootout.

Stats	Sydney	Carlton
Kicks	0	241
Handballs	0	207
Disposals	0	448
Tackles	448	0
Goals	0	0
Behinds	0	0

[Flying South]

Should be a great game. Maybe we could have a penalty shootout.

Stats	Sydney	Carlton
Kicks	0	241
Handballs	0	207
Disposals	0	448
Tackles	448	0
Goals	0	0
Behinds	0	0

Lol. Classic.