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  • Kallias
    Warming the Bench
    • Nov 2003
    • 166
    #1

    Kicking behinds

    I'm relatively new to our great game (been a Swans member for 6 years) and I work with a guy who is a one-eyed rugby league maniac. He doesn't completely hate AFL, but he bags me out about it a fair bit.

    So I'm hoping you guys can help me out with one thing. One of his main beefs about our game is the behind posts. He can't understand why we get a point if we miss. I've tried a few arguments like: if we only had one set of posts there wouldn't be as many scoring opportunities, or the goalkicker has more to aim at - but I'm not really getting anywhere as I don't really know myself. Can anyone give me the definitive answer(s) so I can shut him up for a while?
    Murphy, you are... a... elf
    Tags: behinds, kicking, Swans, sydney
    • Sanecow
      Suspended by the MRP
      • Mar 2003
      • 6917
      #2
      Um, because it's a game. In cricket, why is it 6 runs for hitting the ball over the fence and 4 for hitting it on the bounce? Because that's the way it is. We get 6 for between the big sticks and 1 for between the little ones. It's not "missing" any more than hitting a four in cricket.

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        • BAM_BAM
          Support Staff
          • Jun 2003
          • 1820
          #3
          ask him why a conversion in league is worth two but a field goal is worth one? Both have to go between the posts and above the cross bar??? At least we have a different number of points for the different posts.
          Here's my heart and you can break it
          I need some release, release, release
          We need
          Love and peace

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            • Tooth Fairy
              Regular in the Side
              • Aug 2003
              • 724
              #4
              Re: Kicking behinds

              Originally posted by Kallias
              I'm relatively new to our great game (been a Swans member for 6 years) and I work with a guy who is a one-eyed rugby league maniac. He doesn't completely hate AFL, but he bags me out about it a fair bit.

              So I'm hoping you guys can help me out with one thing. One of his main beefs about our game is the behind posts. He can't understand why we get a point if we miss. I've tried a few arguments like: if we only had one set of posts there wouldn't be as many scoring opportunities, or the goalkicker has more to aim at - but I'm not really getting anywhere as I don't really know myself. Can anyone give me the definitive answer(s) so I can shut him up for a while?
              Yeah I don't know. I've always wondered why we play AFL on an oval and not on a rectangle. Beats me. /shrug
              If u don't believe me, I will knock your bloody teeth out and not pay you a cent.

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                • Bear
                  Best and Fairest
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 1022
                  #5
                  like the guys above mentioned, a behind is not a "miss", it is a score. out of bounds is a miss and therefore in fact you do NOT get a score for a miss

                  you have different scoring 'zones' in Australian football

                  like you get rewarded for greater skill in other sports, you do so in Australian football... e.g. for greater accuracy in darts, for longer range in basketball...

                  not too difficult to comprehend is it?
                  "As a player he simply should not have been able to do the things he did. Leo was a 185cm, 88kg full-back and played on some of the biggest, fastest and best full-forwards of all time, and constantly beat them." Roos.
                  Leo Barry? you star! We'll miss ya, ''Leapin''.

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                    • j s
                      Think positive!
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 3303
                      #6
                      Re: Re: Kicking behinds

                      Originally posted by Tooth Fairy
                      Yeah I don't know. I've always wondered why we play AFL on an oval and not on a rectangle. Beats me. /shrug
                      That one is easy to answer.

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                        • Kallias
                          Warming the Bench
                          • Nov 2003
                          • 166
                          #7
                          Re: Re: Kicking behinds

                          So why do TV commentators say "he kicks... and misses to the right for one point" as opposed to saying "missed the lot" when they go out on the full?

                          And I've also used the basketball example, but it doesn't cut it with him. He thinks there should be one set of goalposts and you only score if you kick between them.
                          Murphy, you are... a... elf

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                            • Bleed Red Blood
                              Senior Player
                              • Sep 2003
                              • 2057
                              #8
                              Just tell him to get on with his life if he doesnt like the AFL scoring system then too bad for him he can go and support a rugby team.

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                                • NMWBloods
                                  Taking Refuge!!
                                  • Jan 2003
                                  • 15819
                                  #9
                                  Re: Re: Re: Kicking behinds

                                  Originally posted by Kallias
                                  So why do TV commentators say "he kicks... and misses to the right for one point" as opposed to saying "missed the lot" when they go out on the full?
                                  Because the aim is to kick a goal, so the 'miss' refers to missing the goal. 'Missed the lot' means you scored nothing. A point is better than nothing.


                                  And I've also used the basketball example, but it doesn't cut it with him. He thinks there should be one set of goalposts and you only score if you kick between them.
                                  And if you run the ball pass them you could get a score too...?

                                  The same argument could be made that rugby should eliminate its multiple methods of scoring.

                                  Without behinds there would be an awful lot of draws in the game.
                                  Last edited by NMWBloods; 19 December 2003, 03:43 PM.
                                  Captain Logic is not steering this tugboat.

                                  "[T]here are things that matter more and he's reading and thinking about them: heaven, reincarnation. Life and death are the only things that are truly a matter of life and death. Not football."

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                                    • Kallias
                                      Warming the Bench
                                      • Nov 2003
                                      • 166
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Bear
                                      like the guys above mentioned, a behind is not a "miss", it is a score. out of bounds is a miss and therefore in fact you do NOT get a score for a miss
                                      Sorry NMW I was replying to this post about missing for a point rather than missing the lot.
                                      Murphy, you are... a... elf

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                                        • Sanecow
                                          Suspended by the MRP
                                          • Mar 2003
                                          • 6917
                                          #11
                                          Why can't a conversion go under the bar?

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                                            • dimelb
                                              pr. dim-melb; m not f
                                              • Jun 2003
                                              • 6889
                                              #12
                                              Re: Kicking behinds

                                              Originally posted by Kallias
                                              a one-eyed rugby league maniac.
                                              Enough said - don't waste your breath.
                                              He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                                                • Mike_B
                                                  Peyow Peyow
                                                  • Jan 2003
                                                  • 6267
                                                  #13
                                                  Why is a conversion in Rugby worth 2 points and a penalty goal worth 3 (apart from allowing Jonny Wilkinson to score 25+ points/game)? The exact same thing happens, but the value is different...

                                                  We could go on forever...

                                                  I'm on the Chandwagon!!!

                                                  If you cannot compete for the premiership, it's better to be young and exciting than middle-aged and dowdy.

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                                                    • BAM_BAM
                                                      Support Staff
                                                      • Jun 2003
                                                      • 1820
                                                      #14
                                                      exactly my point Mike_B. The games are chalk and cheese. Most League and Rugby (union) fans who haven't watched our (superior) game live don't appreciate it. I must admit, watching league/union, is easier to follow on TV as it shows practically all of the plays/ers in the single frame shot. Aussie Rules however has so much going on off the ball that TV doesn't do it justice.

                                                      I have a friend who preaches the same thing as Kals , he's never been to see our game live - probably wont either (unless I give him a free ticket) - but hates it. Although will admit to hoping Sydney do well as we're the only team here in Sydney.

                                                      I live in hope that people like him will change their minds. I have many other friends who are willing to come out and see us play, I just hope one day they will become members after they've seen a few more games.
                                                      Here's my heart and you can break it
                                                      I need some release, release, release
                                                      We need
                                                      Love and peace

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                                                        • Tooth Fairy
                                                          Regular in the Side
                                                          • Aug 2003
                                                          • 724
                                                          #15
                                                          Re: Re: Re: Kicking behinds

                                                          Originally posted by j s
                                                          That one is easy to answer.
                                                          And why in golf, do we have to hit the ball with a big stick rather than just kicking it along the fairway?

                                                          ...see my facetiousness now?
                                                          If u don't believe me, I will knock your bloody teeth out and not pay you a cent.

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