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  • Ampersand
    On the Rookie List
    • Apr 2014
    • 694

    Originally posted by Melbournehammer
    Posting this a bt nervously, but...
    I am not really convinced by our form and I wonder whether the next three weeks is a bit of a trap.

    We scrambled over the bombers who got belted by the Tiges. We best port but hardly decisively - the same port who lost to collingwood - a team which has just been belted by ten goals by west coast.

    The repeated references on here and elsewhere are to solid grafting wins. That is where we are currently at. Then we are going to play three softish games leading into a qualifying final. I confess to some nervousness

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    For mine too. He clearly starts bumper barring the port player but ends up clearly pushing him with his hand. Much more obvious than laidler later in the game.
    Richmond hardly "belted" Essendon.

    You're entitled to your opinion but If you look at results across the competition you'll see that teams in the top 10-12 are closer in ability than in previous years and winning is no longer just a matter of showing up.

    Carlton almost rolled Fremantle last week. Does that mean the Blues are almost as good as Geelong? St. Kilda thumped Fremantle. Does that make them twice as good as Geelong?

    Anyway, if 14 wins out of 15 don't convince you that we're one of the best form teams of the comp I doubt there's anything I could say that could convince you.

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    • mcs
      Travelling Swannie!!
      • Jul 2007
      • 8166

      Originally posted by Melbournehammer
      Posting this a bt nervously, but...
      I am not really convinced by our form and I wonder whether the next three weeks is a bit of a trap.

      We scrambled over the bombers who got belted by the Tiges. We best port but hardly decisively - the same port who lost to collingwood - a team which has just been belted by ten goals by west coast.

      The repeated references on here and elsewhere are to solid grafting wins. That is where we are currently at. Then we are going to play three softish games leading into a qualifying final. I confess to some nervousness

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      For mine too. He clearly starts bumper barring the port player but ends up clearly pushing him with his hand. Much more obvious than laidler later in the game.

      Take comfort in remembering our relatively poor form running into finals in 2012. I think we are playing ok, but we need to clean up our disposal quality before finals - as we have been sloppy for several weeks and the good teams, like the Hawks a couple of weeks ago, will punish you if you are off come finals time. I think we are going pretty well, and to me the biggest worry is Tippett and K Jack, who both still look far from fully fit.
      "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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      • Ampersand
        On the Rookie List
        • Apr 2014
        • 694

        Haven't watched the replay yet but I thought Tippett looked better than last week, particularly his defensive game and movement down the ground.

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        • Nico
          Veterans List
          • Jan 2003
          • 11339

          Originally posted by mcs
          Take comfort in remembering our relatively poor form running into finals in 2012. I think we are playing ok, but we need to clean up our disposal quality before finals - as we have been sloppy for several weeks and the good teams, like the Hawks a couple of weeks ago, will punish you if you are off come finals time. I think we are going pretty well, and to me the biggest worry is Tippett and K Jack, who both still look far from fully fit.
          Jack still averages about 25 possessions a game and he seems to get tagged regularly. Just not kicking the goals because he is not playing close to goals. I wonder if that will change come finals time and we have a fit list. We played our best footy when we had our mids rotating off the HFF.
          http://www.nostalgiamusic.co.uk/secu...res/srh806.jpg

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          • aguy
            Senior Player
            • Mar 2014
            • 1324

            I agree. When the mids have been popping up across hf as targets we look very dangerous

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            • albrotha
              On the Rookie List
              • Nov 2005
              • 139

              Hard fought win against Port. Cannot believe that one free kick that was not given against Buddy is being given so much attention. It is about time the pendulum went his way for a change. You would run out of fingers and toes counting those that could have gone his way and didn't.

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              • 0918330512
                Senior Player
                • Sep 2011
                • 1654

                Originally posted by barry
                Laidler is a very strong mark but slow.
                Rohan is fast but a fumble fingers.

                Can we combine them?
                You want a slow, fumble fingers?

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                • 0918330512
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2011
                  • 1654

                  Originally posted by Ampersand
                  Richmond hardly "belted" Essendon.

                  You're entitled to your opinion but If you look at results across the competition you'll see that teams in the top 10-12 are closer in ability than in previous years and winning is no longer just a matter of showing up.

                  Carlton almost rolled Fremantle last week. Does that mean the Blues are almost as good as Geelong? St. Kilda thumped Fremantle. Does that make them twice as good as Geelong?

                  Anyway, if 14 wins out of 15 don't convince you that we're one of the best form teams of the comp I doubt there's anything I could say that could convince you.
                  In 1987 we scored 30+ goals in 3 consecutive weeks against WC, Ess & Rich only to have Carlton beat us. That didn't mean Carlton were a side capable of kicking massive scores. Footy is a week-to-week game. Just like with managed funds, past performance is not indicative of future performance.

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                  • Ampersand
                    On the Rookie List
                    • Apr 2014
                    • 694

                    For Port this game was incredibly important. Our previous victory over them was the beginning of the rot. It would have made an enormous statement if they could beat us. That's what makes this win away from home so impressive.

                    For me it's about attitude. Fremantle probably went in to the St Kilda game already chalking up a W in the back of their minds. By the time they realised they were in a contest it was too late.

                    This will be the biggest danger for us over the next two weeks. If you don't come to play hard, intense footy for four quarters you will be beaten.

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                    • dimelb
                      pr. dim-melb; m not f
                      • Jun 2003
                      • 6889

                      Originally posted by Ampersand
                      For Port this game was incredibly important. Our previous victory over them was the beginning of the rot. It would have made an enormous statement if they could beat us. That's what makes this win away from home so impressive.

                      For me it's about attitude. Fremantle probably went in to the St Kilda game already chalking up a W in the back of their minds. By the time they realised they were in a contest it was too late.

                      This will be the biggest danger for us over the next two weeks. If you don't come to play hard, intense footy for four quarters you will be beaten.
                      Hear, hear. And I'm sure Horse will be on the same message, especially for Richmond.
                      He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                      • ShockOfHair
                        One Man Out
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 3668

                        On the Buddy free: it's one of those that look far worse in slowmo. It looks like the push and the mark were two separate actions. Plus the vision is from behind the players. It's hard to tell if Hombsch? has pushed right back onto Buddy. So I can see an ump might have a called it a mark and not a free against.
                        The man who laughs has not yet heard the terrible news

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                        • ernie koala
                          Senior Player
                          • May 2007
                          • 3251

                          Coaches won't need to say much about attitude....ie: Preparation this week will, no doubt, involve watching St Kilda's big win over Freo ...Enough said.
                          Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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                          • RogueSwan
                            McVeigh for Brownlow
                            • Apr 2003
                            • 4602

                            Originally posted by Ampersand
                            ... If you don't come to play hard, intense footy for four quarters you will be beaten.
                            Hopefully the threat from those on the edge of the team will be enough to keep boys playing whole games. But then again ... that only affects the last six in the 22.
                            The thought of the first four rounds of the season? That should keep the team motivated.

                            Originally posted by ernie koala
                            Coaches won't need to say much about attitude....ie: Preparation this week will, no doubt, involve watching St Kilda's big win over Freo ...Enough said.
                            Preparation, I have noticed this being a thing that has been mentioned a bit this year. Those thereabouts team, Tiger, Bummers, etc, players have mentioned it is about preparing/training the way you want to play. Goddard talked briefly about it on Ch7's Game Day. eg: if players are left to their own devices do they have a bit of fun at training or do some take a leadership position and run the training
                            Last edited by RogueSwan; 11 August 2014, 12:03 PM.
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                            • dimelb
                              pr. dim-melb; m not f
                              • Jun 2003
                              • 6889

                              Don't know about the others, but I would think at the Swans you do as you're bloody well told.
                              He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                              • sharp9
                                Senior Player
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 2508

                                Originally posted by giant
                                Super last qr from Lloyd, made a real difference.

                                I'm afraid only the most one eyed of supporters could suggest Franklyn's effort was anything but a push. Besides the odd howler the umps were actually pretty reasonable.

                                Good win in tough conditions, I'll take it.
                                If you watch the normal angle you can see that it is definitely not a push....the Port player feels contact and either dives or loses his balance (I think the second)....but from the other side angle there is a very slight touch of the hands on the back so it is, technically a free....for hands in the back not for pushing.
                                "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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