Preliminary Final 2: Sydney Swans Reserves v NT Thunder

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  • ugg
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    • Jan 2003
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    VFL Preliminary Final 2: Sydney Swans Reserves v NT Thunder

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    NEAFL Preliminary Final 2
    Sydney Swans Reserves v NT Thunder
    Blacktown International Sports Park
    Sunday 7th September 12.45pm


    Great scheduling as it allows all our emergencies and non-selected players to get a full game without being held in reserve for the seniors. Should be a good match too. Not sure if our listed player restrictions apply against NT, will have to check that.
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  • ugg
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    • Jan 2003
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    #2
    Here are the rules for us:

    16.2.1 WHEN PLAYING AGAINST NON AFL CLUB OPPOSITION (excluding NT Thunder):
    (a) For home and away matches:
    The 22 players in the squad shall comprise of a maximum 18 listed players (primary or rookie list) and a minimum of 4 top-up players.
    A maximum of fifteen (15) listed players can be on the playing field at any time
    (b) For finals matches:
    The 22 players in the squad shall comprise of a maximum 15 listed players (including two NSW rookie listed players) and a minimum of 7 top-up players.
    In finals there are no restrictions on the number of listed players on the field at one time.
    16.3.2 WHEN PLAYING AGAINST AFL OPPOSITION CLUBS and NT Thunder:
    There are no restrictions in place when an AFL Club Reserves team plays NT Thunder in Competition Matches.
    16.3.3 FINALS ELIGIBILITY
    (a) Any player must have played a minimum of three (3) Competition home and away Matches for the club to qualify to play in the Competition finals series
    (b) In the event a listed player has played five (5) matches or more in the AFL, he must have played at least nine (9) Competition home and away Matches to qualify to play in the Competition finals series.
    (c) Notwithstanding anything with these Rules, should an AFL Club listed player not be selected to play for his AFL Club in an AFL match, that player will be eligible to play in the Competition finals
    series Match with the AFL Club Reserves team that same weekend, irrespective of whether or not he has played in a Competition Match that season,
    The important points to pick out are that there are will be no restrictions against NT, and if we make it to the GF, no restrictions against UWS but will be if Aspley upsets them. And if I read it correctly point 16.3.3 (c) would indicate Jeremy Laidler is eligible to play if he's not selected (does that include being an emergency? one would think not) for the seniors despite him only playing one NEAFL game this year. It's a strange rule though, I'm not sure what circumstances would lead to a player being selected for the seniors and also for the reserves in the same weekend.
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    • liz
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      • Jan 2003
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      #3
      Originally posted by ugg

      It's a strange rule though, I'm not sure what circumstances would lead to a player being selected for the seniors and also for the reserves in the same weekend.
      The point of the rule is not about a player playing two games - it is about whether there is a senior AFL game that they could be chosen for. If the Swans were not playing AFL finals, rule b) prevails. But because we are, the club can keep its fringe players match fit in the NEAFL in case it needs them later in the finals series, even if they may not be eligible under rule b). I guess Laidler, Rohan and Mitchell are all players who would fail to meet the rule b) criteria.

      Also, while an AFL side still has its senior side playing, it is highly unlikely to drop senior players back to the reserves just to strengthen the reserves side. It would clearly be a little unfair to other teams in the NEAFL if a team stacked its side with AFL quality players who had not played much during the season. It stops GSW bringing in Shane Mumford, Will Hoskin-Elliot and Dylan Shiel (and the rest) for the NEAFL finals series.

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      • Matt80
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        • Sep 2013
        • 1802

        #4
        Which Swans reserves players are playing for their Swans careers in the reserves finals series? Who needs to show something in the last couple of weeks?

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        • ugg
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          • Jan 2003
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          #5
          Originally posted by liz
          The point of the rule is not about a player playing two games - it is about whether there is a senior AFL game that they could be chosen for. If the Swans were not playing AFL finals, rule b) prevails. But because we are, the club can keep its fringe players match fit in the NEAFL in case it needs them later in the finals series, even if they may not be eligible under rule b). I guess Laidler, Rohan and Mitchell are all players who would fail to meet the rule b) criteria.

          Also, while an AFL side still has its senior side playing, it is highly unlikely to drop senior players back to the reserves just to strengthen the reserves side. It would clearly be a little unfair to other teams in the NEAFL if a team stacked its side with AFL quality players who had not played much during the season. It stops GSW bringing in Shane Mumford, Will Hoskin-Elliot and Dylan Shiel (and the rest) for the NEAFL finals series.
          That makes sense but I find the wording a little odd. "should an AFL Club listed player not be selected to play for his AFL Club in an AFL match" does that mean if we beat Freo and get the week off, that technically we can select any listed player for the NEAFL GF because they weren't selected to play that weekend. Or if the reverse is true, it means that Laidler is ineligible for the GF?
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          • liz
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            • Jan 2003
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            #6
            Originally posted by ugg
            That makes sense but I find the wording a little odd. "should an AFL Club listed player not be selected to play for his AFL Club in an AFL match" does that mean if we beat Freo and get the week off, that technically we can select any listed player for the NEAFL GF because they weren't selected to play that weekend. Or if the reverse is true, it means that Laidler is ineligible for the GF?
            I agree the wording is ambiguous. It would suggest the latter - if there is no senior game, a player cannot be not selected to play in the senior team. However, I always thought that the "plain English" intention of the rule was not to impose any restrictions while the senior team was still alive in its competition, thus recognising that reserves teams play a supporting function to their senior team, as well as being a competition in their own right.

            Bird might be an interesting case. If he does not come up for this weekend and we win, will the club be allowed to play him in the reserves to get match fitness during a week in which the senior team is not playing - a similar question to the Laidler question.

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            • ugg
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              • Jan 2003
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              #7
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              • ShortHalfHead
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                • Dec 2008
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                #8
                Should be an entertaining day at Blacktown. The Div 2 Women's Grand Final Southern Power V Wollongong Saints precedes the NEAFL match whilst the Division 5 Grand Final between Penrith Rams and Blacktown is after the Swans V NT match. Entry just $10 and Cheap food and grog supplied by Camden Cats. Get down there

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                • Xie Shan
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                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2929

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ugg
                  That makes sense but I find the wording a little odd. "should an AFL Club listed player not be selected to play for his AFL Club in an AFL match" does that mean if we beat Freo and get the week off, that technically we can select any listed player for the NEAFL GF because they weren't selected to play that weekend.
                  That's the way I read it. I believe it's the same rule which allowed LRT to play in the NEAFL grand final against Belconnen last year, overriding the listed player restrictions that would normally have been in place.

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                  • ugg
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                    #10
                    Strong team named

                    In: Biggs, B.Jack, Laidler, Membrey, T.Mitchell, Nankervis, Towers
                    Out: Bottin-Noonan, Dickson, Hebron, Hey, Vaisey, Wetzlar, Wright

                    B: Laidler, Walsh, Dick
                    HB: Jones, X.Richards, Marsh
                    C: Lockyer, Robinson, Biggs
                    HF: Hewett, Membrey, Towers
                    F: Nankervis, P.Mitchell, B.Jack
                    Foll: Naismith, O'Keefe, T.Mitchell

                    Inter: Heeney, Mills, Hiscox, Davis
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                    • Ludwig
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                      • Apr 2007
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                      #11
                      That is a strong team, with all 18 starters on our list.

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                      • Matt80
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                        • Sep 2013
                        • 1802

                        #12
                        Love the bench. I hope there are periods of the game where Heeney, Hewitt and Mills can be the three midfielders in at the centre square ball ups.

                        That is the Swans midfield future staring you in the face.

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                        • Meg
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                          • Aug 2011
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                          #13
                          Wow, Blacktown is an awful long way to go (from the CBD where I live and travelling on public transport), but that is a damn good team, one I'd like to see play! Hmmm!

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                          • ugg
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                            #14
                            Yes come along it's good fun and you may find yourself sitting next to a coach or player, you can listen to the instructions being shouted from the benches and you may be allowed to stand and listen to the quarter and three quarter time huddles





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                            • mcs
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                              • Jul 2007
                              • 8149

                              #15
                              Looking forward to watching this on Sunday as welcome distraction from the stupid uni assignment I need to get started on.

                              A really strong looking team, shoul dbe a good game.
                              "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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