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  • Ludwig
    Veterans List
    • Apr 2007
    • 9359

    RWO Commons

    I would like to make a few comments about the increasing discordance that has appeared on the RWO website of during this year. I am not a moderator, just another poster like yourself, and one that has often tested the boundaries of permissibility in the RWO community.
    We all need to recognize that in any community there are limits to acceptable behaviour, whether in real life or virtual. The pleasure of participating in any community is diminished if we rely on the police (moderators) to punish those who step out of line. We need understand when boundaries are crossed and know when to step back from the brink. RWO will be a much more pleasant experience if we find the means of self-regulating.

    There is a famous essay on common usage communities called Tragedy of the Commons (Garrett Hardin, 1968), which has often been referenced in debate on ecology, but applies to all commons (in the sense how the word is used in English law). What we learn from this is that it only takes one participant to exploit the commons for the whole system to convert from a cooperative one to one destroyed by over-exploitation. It explicates why so many communities become acrimonious over time. That?s what makes it a tragedy.

    The community is reliant on every single member to comprehend the difference between of what is humourous and what is offensive, what is topical and what is pushing one?s own agenda, because it only takes one to damage the quality of the experience. We face these challenges in our everyday lives and hopefully all in the RWO community have managed to negotiate their way through life knowing how far to go before stepping across the line. We only need to apply the same criteria to RWO.

    It seems like we all want to keep the community as open as possible. There are few formal rules and regulations. The community is a dynamic entity which will navigate its way through both clear and murky waters. All natural systems will evolve toward an equilibrium point. Open systems, like RWO, have an ever changing dynamic as members come and go and vary participation rate. How we evolve is up to you, and up to me.

    Family squabbles are useful in testing the boundaries of the community. We should use them to make adjustments to the way we interact in the community. The only advice I can offer is that if you hit a wall, bounce off; if you hit it twice, then back off.
  • i'm-uninformed2
    Reefer Madness
    • Oct 2003
    • 4653

    #2
    But if you're drunk when you do it, it's kinda fun.
    'Delicious' is a fun word to say

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    • ScottH
      It's Goodes to cheer!!
      • Sep 2003
      • 23665

      #3
      Since taking over RWO, I've always looked on it as a saleable product.

      How will the contents of this product affect the person looking to buy/join?

      Treat this place as if it were your own and how you would like others to see it.

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      • Go Swannies
        Veterans List
        • Sep 2003
        • 5697

        #4
        Had any big offers yet Scott?

        And are you coming up for any finals games? I'm sure you owe me a beer, preferably to celebrate a QF win.

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        • Matt80
          Suspended by the MRP
          • Sep 2013
          • 1802

          #5
          It?s very much an individual view as to what constitutes offensive conduct.

          I was not offended by the final post on the ANZ thread. To the contrary I had a funny retort, but the thread was closed down.
          I don?t mind people having a go at me about anything I post. I take most of it as banter and not offence. Margo decided to give me a free character reading in the Sandpit. That?s fine because she has a strong opinion. I like strong opinionated people and I?m sure Margo would be great to chat to in real life.

          I do get highly offended when people publicly delist me and encourage others to do so. If you are going to do that, then do it privately. You know who you are. It?s the height of group bullying and social exclusion.

          Ludwig is the benchmark. Great football knowledge but has the capacity for a good laugh and some off topic fun. We should all aim to emulate Ludwig.

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          • ScottH
            It's Goodes to cheer!!
            • Sep 2003
            • 23665

            #6
            Originally posted by Go Swannies
            Had any big offers yet Scott?

            And are you coming up for any finals games? I'm sure you owe me a beer, preferably to celebrate a QF win.
            I have had offers from some dodgy places. But I'm waiting for the BIG offer!!
            But I am open to offers for a take over. Seriously.

            Not sure yet. I might try for the PF. I'll see.
            Longest outstanding beer owing I've ever had I think.
            One day we'll catch up.

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            • RogueSwan
              McVeigh for Brownlow
              • Apr 2003
              • 4602

              #7
              Originally posted by Matt80
              ... To the contrary I had a funny retort, but the thread was closed down.....
              It?s very much an individual view as to what constitutes a funny retort.
              "Fortunately, this is the internet, so knowing nothing is no obstacle to having an opinion!." Beerman 18-07-2017

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              • CureTheSane
                Carpe Noctem
                • Jan 2003
                • 5032

                #8
                I agree that it is virtually impossible to define what is acceptable.
                What one will take as a joke, another will be offended by.

                Personally I've always seen this place as the 'first forum' for most users. ie: they have a different POV as to what a forum is like / should be like.
                I've happily accepted that, and like to think that I do not make posts which are provocative or insulting and just tend to go with the flow.

                What I don't like (but have also accepted) is the off topic rules.
                For instance, I made a post which had points about Shane Warne as well as Adam Goodes.
                My whole post was moved and half of it is not relevant.
                Big deal if the thread goes off topic.
                I could go through and report hundreds of off topic posts but to what end?

                If the topic changes then so be it. Moving things around only breaks up conversations and stifles any flow.

                For me, moderation could be more targeted at attacking posters - name calling, casting aspersions etc.
                If a thread is deteriorating into a slugfest, sometimes it's healthier to move the whole thread to the sandpit, let people vent, and those who don't want to see it can ignore it.

                Having said all that, as I said, I happily accept the rules which are set in place.
                Even if they are a bit nanny state
                The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                • desredandwhite
                  Click!
                  • Jan 2003
                  • 2498

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ScottH
                  But I am open to offers for a take over. Seriously.
                  Forget big offers. If you get ANY offers, take the non-existant money and run!

                  177th Senior AFL Match - Round 4, 2009 - Sydney vs Carlton, SCG. This is obviously out of date. I suppose I'll update it once I could be bothered sitting down with the fixture and working it out....
                  Des' Weblog

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                  • Go Swannies
                    Veterans List
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 5697

                    #10
                    Originally posted by desredandwhite
                    Forget big offers. If you get ANY offers, take the non-existant money and run!
                    I thought you got a big screen TV and a lifetime pass to Sydney's musical theatre scene?

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                    • ScottH
                      It's Goodes to cheer!!
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 23665

                      #11
                      Originally posted by desredandwhite
                      Forget big offers. If you get ANY offers, take the non-existant money and run!
                      That is all I want in a big offer!
                      [emoji3]
                      Originally posted by Go Swannies
                      I thought you got a big screen TV and a lifetime pass to Sydney's musical theatre scene?
                      Lol

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                      • jono2707
                        Goes up to 11
                        • Oct 2007
                        • 3326

                        #12
                        Just another message of support to Scott and the moderators that keep RWO going. Thanks.

                        I would rather see threads shut down (which has happened a few times lately) and posts deleted (a lot lately) in order to keep this site for what it is - a group of Swans fans who discuss our team and the game, without it degenerating into baiting, trolling, tiresome personal agendas etc. I love RWO

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                        • 111431
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Sep 2010
                          • 697

                          #13
                          Originally posted by jono2707
                          Just another message of support to Scott and the moderators that keep RWO going. Thanks.

                          I would rather see threads shut down (which has happened a few times lately) and posts deleted (a lot lately) in order to keep this site for what it is - a group of Swans fans who discuss our team and the game, without it degenerating into baiting, trolling, tiresome personal agendas etc. I love RWO
                          fully agree - keep up the good work

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                          • dimelb
                            pr. dim-melb; m not f
                            • Jun 2003
                            • 6889

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jono2707
                            Just another message of support to Scott and the moderators that keep RWO going. Thanks.

                            I would rather see threads shut down (which has happened a few times lately) and posts deleted (a lot lately) in order to keep this site for what it is - a group of Swans fans who discuss our team and the game, without it degenerating into baiting, trolling, tiresome personal agendas etc. I love RWO
                            +2 on the message support - in spades.

                            And I agree strongly with the comment about keeping the site for its purpose. I am finding it best to ignore certain comments at present.
                            He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                            • jono2707
                              Goes up to 11
                              • Oct 2007
                              • 3326

                              #15
                              Please refer to the second paragraph of my post above.....

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