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  • The Big Cat
    On the veteran's list
    • Apr 2006
    • 2350

    #31
    Originally posted by SA Swan
    Getting things back on track, did anyone hear Ryan's interview on ABC radio today where he apparently said today was his last game at the SCG in red & white?
    Unless he was planning to be on our list next year he was never going to play again at the SCG. For all the players, tonight was their 2014 SCG farewell.
    Those who have the greatest power to hurt us are those we love.

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    • rojo
      Opti-pessi-misti
      • Mar 2009
      • 1102

      #32
      I agree, ROK came across as very disappointed. Being 'fare-welled' from the SCG through a ressies guard of honor seemed strange and not a very fitting way to finish up such a great footy career with the Swans. The thing is, he hasn't yet made a decision to retire or move on. All a bit odd!

      I really hope that somehow he gets one last game with the seniors. Despite all the arguments against 'gifting' him a game I am sure he wouldn't be any worse than Goodesy, Shaw and Hanners have been coming in after injury lay offs! I think it contributes to the culture of the club too to show respect for someone in his position if it is at all possible especially after Jude's big send off. It would be great to see him being carried off the field for the last time by his senior buddies.

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      • Zlatorog
        Senior Player
        • Jan 2006
        • 1748

        #33
        The whole ROK situation is very odd indeed. I wonder if he was given a new role, which he couldn't fulfil. Maybe those first 4 rounds that he played probably failed in the new role (whatever that was) and never managed to return into the senior side. There is definitely a communication breakdown between ROK and Longmire.

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        • ernie koala
          Senior Player
          • May 2007
          • 3251

          #34
          Originally posted by rojo
          I agree, ROK came across as very disappointed. Being 'fare-welled' from the SCG through a ressies guard of honor seemed strange and not a very fitting way to finish up such a great footy career with the Swans. The thing is, he hasn't yet made a decision to retire or move on. All a bit odd!

          I really hope that somehow he gets one last game with the seniors. Despite all the arguments against 'gifting' him a game I am sure he wouldn't be any worse than Goodesy, Shaw and Hanners have been coming in after injury lay offs! I think it contributes to the culture of the club too to show respect for someone in his position if it is at all possible especially after Jude's big send off. It would be great to see him being carried off the field for the last time by his senior buddies.
          I agree with you. It's all getting a bit awkward.
          Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it's time to pause and reflect... MT

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          • Matt80
            Suspended by the MRP
            • Sep 2013
            • 1802

            #35
            Originally posted by Zlatorog
            The whole ROK situation is very odd indeed. I wonder if he was given a new role, which he couldn't fulfil. Maybe those first 4 rounds that he played probably failed in the new role (whatever that was) and never managed to return into the senior side. There is definitely a communication breakdown between ROK and Longmire.
            I think the John Longmire system has evolved this year compared to 2013. There are now less slower paced inside midfielders and more electric, hard tackling outside run players. Think about the number of games that Cunningham, Towers, Lloyd, Rohan and B.Jack have now played in 2014. Last year ROK and Mitchell would have played instead of those electric guys. It's a change of system and ROK would understand that.

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            • goswannies
              Senior Player
              • Sep 2007
              • 3048

              #36
              Originally posted by Matt80
              I think the John Longmire system has evolved this year compared to 2013. There are now less slower paced inside midfielders and more electric, hard tackling outside run players. Think about the number of games that Cunningham, Towers, Lloyd, Rohan and B.Jack have now played in 2014. Last year ROK and Mitchell would have played instead of those electric guys. It's a change of system and ROK would understand that.
              This "system" that you speak of also includes not playing injured plates until they are match fit & fully recovered, regardless of pace ... and Mitchell would understand that.

              & I don't think Mitchell is moving anywhere but ROK sadly will be (just to steer this post back on topic of "player movement")
              Last edited by goswannies; 17 August 2014, 07:53 AM.

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              • Dosser
                Just wild about Harry
                • Mar 2011
                • 1833

                #37
                Originally posted by goswannies
                This "system" that you speak of also includes not playing injured plates until they are match fit & fully recovered, regardless of pace ... and Mitchell would understand that.
                How much match practice did Goodes get in reserves this year?

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                • goswannies
                  Senior Player
                  • Sep 2007
                  • 3048

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Dosser
                  How much match practice did Goodes get in reserves this year?
                  Different roles & different experience. Goodsey is a match-hardened, seasoned veteran who isn't expected to run all day & is generally played as a 3rd or 4th tall forward. Mitchell would be expected to run much of the game out.

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                  • Matt80
                    Suspended by the MRP
                    • Sep 2013
                    • 1802

                    #39
                    Originally posted by goswannies
                    This "system" that you speak of also includes not playing injured plates until they are match fit & fully recovered, regardless of pace ... and Mitchell would understand that.

                    & I don't think Mitchell is moving anywhere but ROK sadly will be (just to steer this post back on topic of "player movement")
                    I'm not going after Mitchell. It's about the system. Mitchell is a key inclusion in my team for next week as we are likely to have two slow paced inside midfielders down.

                    Player movements will depend on money and the depth required to complete the John Longmires system.

                    I think there will be more pace on the list and we will have less slow inside midfielders on the list.

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                    • CureTheSane
                      Carpe Noctem
                      • Jan 2003
                      • 5032

                      #40
                      I see this differently.
                      Karma, if you like.
                      I remember when ROK went out to chase some cash and was happy to ditch his team.
                      That flopped and he had no choice but to stay with the Swans.
                      I'm sure there were bridges to mend if the Swans' culture is all it's cracked up to be.
                      So he gets back and flourishes with the team again, then he can't win a spot in the side and I find it a lot easier to not be too upset about that.
                      Been a great servant for the club, but I guess time's up.
                      Agree he should receive a proper farewell though. That he hasn't indicates that he will look for another club. Hope that goes better for him this time...
                      The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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                      • dimelb
                        pr. dim-melb; m not f
                        • Jun 2003
                        • 6889

                        #41
                        LRT has retired - that's why the farewell. If ROK had retired, he would have gone around too.

                        ROK could still appear in the firsts, depending how Kennedy comes up. Otherwise he may well be taken on by another club, and while he might prefer to stay in Sydney, there may yet be a position in Melbourne for a final hurrah.
                        He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                        • Matt80
                          Suspended by the MRP
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 1802

                          #42
                          Originally posted by dimelb
                          LRT has retired - that's why the farewell. If ROK had retired, he would have gone around too.

                          ROK could still appear in the firsts, depending how Kennedy comes up. Otherwise he may well be taken on by another club, and while he might prefer to stay in Sydney, there may yet be a position in Melbourne for a final hurrah.
                          Does ROK look sharp at Reserve Level? How far is he away from his Norm Smith form?

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                          • tasmania60
                            On the Rookie List
                            • Jul 2013
                            • 276

                            #43
                            Be honest people ROK to slow games passed him by i loved watching him play> but lets be honest hes not Red and White legend he wanted to leave how loyal is that ?

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                            • Melbourne_Blood
                              Senior Player
                              • May 2010
                              • 3312

                              #44
                              Two premiership player and norms smith medallist and he's not a Swans legend ? Pull up

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                              • CureTheSane
                                Carpe Noctem
                                • Jan 2003
                                • 5032

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Melbourne_Blood
                                Two premiership player and norms smith medallist and he's not a Swans legend ? Pull up
                                How did you understand what he was trying to say?
                                The difference between insanity and genius is measured only in success.

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