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[111431]

Why are so many on here trading Jetta? He had an absolute shocker of a game, so did most of the team bar about 3 or 4 guys. Despite less goals and blistering runs, his role this year has been super important to our team finishing top of the ladder. He delivers the ball better than anyone bar perhaps buddy. He ranks right up there for inside 50's in our side ( if not no.1) , his defensive game and tackling has improved dramatically, and his ability to weave through heavy traffic with composure is unrivalled in our 22. If we were trading players based purely on their performance on Saturday, we'd be left with 4 players. People talk about needing more elite kicks and then throw up Jetta as trade bait? Astounding ! The biggest adjustment that needs to be made from Saturday is in the coaches box and In the players attitudes and mental preparation.

fully agree

[Melbournehammer]

Re Matt and scottee- reg got the call. It happened right in front of me - to the extent that mal walked over to him holding both hands in front of his face and waving them around like wtf were you thinking mark the ball.

I like reg and you can't have champions on every line. He is a good mark and plays better under pressure than when given time - which is where most of his changers seem to emerge - including when playing as the spare man and punching the ball into the corridor.

But let's be clear here - the whole problem with that play was Goodes playing on in the centre corridor by hand and turning the ball over. Goodes looks to hit buddy on the lead it may not happen.

[Melbournehammer]

And re comparison to ted - I think this has been teds worst season as a defender. His kicking has been really poor this season.

It's why mal and shaw will leave much bigger holes than people expect. Reg and teddy and smith are all really simple players - they rarely take the game on other than to hand pass backwards to still players - a tactic which round 18 demonstrated didn't work against hawthorn but was further confirmed by the gf. If both mal and shaw go who the bloody hell provides drive of Hbf ????

[aardvark]

If both mal and shaw go who the bloody hell provides drive of Hbf ????

McVeigh, Rohan, Rampe, Jones or Biggs if he gets a chance.

[Plugger1300]

I thought Grundy had a terrific year. All the backs played well. We had the number one defence.
So maybe a bit of perspective needs to be shown.

They are ageing though and we desperately need a KPD so i would be doing what i could to get Patfull

[ernie koala]

Patful would only be a stopgap solution, he turns 30 this off season.

[Big Al]

I think we should think seriously about bottoming out to say 2nd or 3rd and make sure we're underdogs in the GF. Guaranteed success right there.

[Jewels]

I think we should think seriously about bottoming out to say 2nd or 3rd and make sure we're underdogs in the GF. Guaranteed success right there.

Sounds a pretty good plan to me, third place seems to be the ideal for us.

[tasmania60]

BY by reg

[Swandering]

My take on the defenders, for what it is worth, is that the new young guys (particularly Rampe) have played so well this year that the older ones (Ted and Reg) have been able to ease off, and Ted especially has been moving more up the ground, confident that the young guys would cope. Then,in the GF, the young guys experienced some nerves which combined with some dodgy umpiring calls,knocked their confidence. All understandable, but the real failure was that the older guys didn't recognise this and get back to cover until it was too late. Because of this,I don't feel it was a failure of any particular player but the result of a subtle shift in the structure of the backline which developed throughout the year.

[Velour&Ruffles]

Why are so many on here trading Jetta? He had an absolute shocker of a game, so did most of the team bar about 3 or 4 guys. Despite less goals and blistering runs, his role this year has been super important to our team finishing top of the ladder. He delivers the ball better than anyone bar perhaps buddy. He ranks right up there for inside 50's in our side ( if not no.1) , his defensive game and tackling has improved dramatically, and his ability to weave through heavy traffic with composure is unrivalled in our 22. If we were trading players based purely on their performance on Saturday, we'd be left with 4 players. People talk about needing more elite kicks and then throw up Jetta as trade bait? Astounding ! The biggest adjustment that needs to be made from Saturday is in the coaches box and In the players attitudes and mental preparation.

The difference is that Jetta never even appeared to be trying. The others seemed to be trying but incompetent, whereas Jetta with all his blistering pace never got above a slow canter. I recall screaming at him about three minutes into the game - it was mystifying even then. That's not a "shocker of a game", it's a shocker of a headspace. Only those inside the club will know whether that is something amenable to fixing in a reasonable time frame. For mine, he was beyond pathetic and I'd get rid of him. If he turned to water in this GF, with all the pressure game experience he has, who is to say it won't happen in the 2015 GF (fingers crossed)? I say get something mentally tougher for him, while he still has currency. The only excuse he had, in my opinion, was injury. However that went out the window when he wasn't subbed out after the 20 minute observation absence off the field.

[rojo]

I don't mind people talking up Jetta's more rounded game, I want him to do well for the team's sake but in one game only that I saw this year did he play what I would call an influential game. How many times does he actually lay an effective tackle? Opposition players just swat him away like a fly. When he corrals players they just run through him or around him and then he just lopes on to do the same thing with the next player. Most of the time he is so frustrating to watch. I can only think that he is following instructions so give him the benefit of the doubt but I am not a fan of his new role.

[Melbourne_Blood]

The difference is that Jetta never even appeared to be trying. The others seemed to be trying but incompetent, whereas Jetta with all his blistering pace never got above a slow canter. I recall screaming at him about three minutes into the game - it was mystifying even then. That's not a "shocker of a game", it's a shocker of a headspace. Only those inside the club will know whether that is something amenable to fixing in a reasonable time frame. For mine, he was beyond pathetic and I'd get rid of him. If he turned to water in this GF, with all the pressure game experience he has, who is to say it won't happen in the 2015 GF (fingers crossed)? I say get something mentally tougher for him, while he still has currency. The only excuse he had, in my opinion, was injury. However that went out the window when he wasn't subbed out after the 20 minute observation absence off the field.

His 2012 GF was pretty darn good. Your opinion is based on one game. It's ridiculous. On that basis Roughead should've been traded out of hawthorn after 2012. He had a an utter stinker that day. He's been pretty handy since..

[Velour&Ruffles]

His 2012 GF was pretty darn good. Your opinion is based on one game. It's ridiculous. On that basis Roughead should've been traded out of hawthorn after 2012. He had a an utter stinker that day. He's been pretty handy since..

My opinion is based on what you need to win premierships, which is deep seated resilience and a burning hunger to win. Jetta may have had these to some extent in 2012 but he appears to have neither of them now. Your comparison to Roughead is what is ridiculous here. It is well-established that Roughead was crippled by injury in 2012 , and his problem was that he simply couldn't execute physically to his normal capability. Jetta failing to get above a jog when he was 3 metres from a Hawthorn ball-carrier is a completely different issue. At least Roughead was trying in 2012, injuries and all. An apparently fit Jetta was abysmal last Saturday and didn't appear to give a @@@@.

[goswannie14]

My opinion is based on what you need to win premierships, which is deep seated resilience and a burning hunger to win. Jetta may have had these to some extent in 2012 but he appears to have neither of them now. Your comparison to Roughead is what is ridiculous here. It is well-established that Roughead was crippled by injury in 2012 , and his problem was that he simply couldn't execute physically to his normal capability. Jetta failing to get above a jog when he was 3 metres from a Hawthorn ball-carrier is a completely different issue. At least Roughead was trying in 2012, injuries and all. An apparently fit Jetta was abysmal last Saturday and didn't appear to give a @@@@.

If you call playing with concussion fit?