2014 AFL Draft

[Auntie.Gerald]

From those highlights, his kicking is really poor and his decision making under pressure was also poor.....High floaters that were rarely to his intended target's advantage.

I can't see him playing as a halfback, without dramatic improvement in his kicking and decision making.

On the upside, he certainly plays with attacking intent, seemed to have pretty good acceleration off the mark, has good strong hands...And leads, jumps and marks well.

So plenty to work with....Over to you Crouchy and co.

Ernie i realise above you covered a lot Rose's positive attributes as well as your concerns........but I did watch the video a second time after your comments and I saw two long kicks down the line to a pack that could have been better and one miss at goal and one hurried hand pass inside..........the remaining involvements (close to 20) in the video were very good.......ie kicking at goal to win the game with 20 seconds to go........his fast hand passing to inside players and willingness to give and go and go again......for me i can see a nice compliment to our squad and agree it will be time learning his trade at the Swans with crouchie

[Auntie.Gerald]

James Rose - 2014 Draft Prospect | BigFooty AFL Forum

James Rose
Height: 186cm
Weight: 78kg
From: Sturt, South Australia
Position: Forward?

He might not be one of the bigger name players in the South Australian squad, but James Rose is one player who may attract some attention from clubs as we get closer to the draft. And as everyone knows about the top guys, it's only fair that the second and third tier players get a bit of a wrap too.

Relatively speaking, Rose is a bit of an unknown to those outside of South Australia - and even to some of those in South Australia. As a private school kid, he split his playing time in 2013 between the SANFL U18s for Sturt and the Messenger Shield for Scotch College. But at both levels, he did the same thing - kick goals. And for Sturt, he finished with 30 goals from his 9 games. Only once did he go goalless, and in three matches Rose finished with hauls of 5 goals or more. Coming into the 2014 season, he impressed training alongside the seniors and has made his Reserves debut between state commitments - having also played three of the four games for SA at the U18 Championships.

For most part of his career to date, Rose has played as a medium forward. Earlier on in 2013, he tended to play deep and while he was kicking 3-4 goals a game, he wasn't really getting much more of the ball. However, he improved as the season went on and worked up more around the half forward line. In his last game for Sturt in the Reserves, Rose finished with 18 disposals and 5 marks to go with a goal - with similar stats in two of his three games at the Championships so far. And his Round 1 against WA was a perfect microcosm of him as a player.

Marking and his general attack on both the ball and contest are the hallmarks to his game. He leads straight at the ball carrier, marks at the highest point and tends to beat his opponent more often than not in the air. And while he isn't the tallest player going around, he isn't afraid to run through anyone in his way. His disposal is also one area of his game that will attract attention, while he wont be kicking 60m bullet passes he is neat over 50m and doesn't make too many errors. He translates that across to his goal kicking too. And when the ball hits the ground? Well, he is pretty good there too. For a player of his type, he has good agility - which is often an area that lets these 185-190cm forwards down. And endurance wise, he certainly looks to have improved and if past results are anything to go by, he should be pushing for a beep test of around level 14 come draft screenings.

So why isn't James Rose a household name? There are probably three reasons that I can think of - speed, versatility and competition. He isn't slow by any means, just wont be burning off his opponents. And that lends itself to the third reason, and that's the fact that there is plenty of competition from other similar players. And if you have the choice between a fast medium forward and an average speed one, you tend to take the faster one. Also, there are just so many of his type in U18 football, AFL lists and playing in the state leagues - so many, that only the best make it. And lastly, his versatility in being able to impact further up the ground could be questioned. He has certainly improved since the start of last season, but you wouldn't be pencilling him in as part of the midfield rotations quite yet.

There are a few players you could perhaps compare Rose to. Is he a poor mans version of Christian Petracca? Maybe he develops into a forward like Tom Lynch from Adelaide? Or, a team might consider switching him to the back lines, where he could become a Clancee Pearce type. What happens in November is anyone's guess. His draft range could be anywhere from James Sicily (third round) to Luke Reynolds (rookie draft). But he has shown enough to suggest he'd be worth a shot, and at worse will be a good state league player for some time.

[southsideswan]

I saw that Rose was flown to Sydney on Tuesday. How many other players got this treatment, I wonder? It probably does not matter. He would have indicated if he felt comfortable with Sydney selecting him. Our people can see the data, see the footage so Tuesday was obvious to see if the person/personality was a good fit. We selected him so enough said.

[Auntie.Gerald]

does anyone know how to find James Rose combine stats and also Davis etc

ie they indicated in one of the articles that he would be 14 beep test etc

[Auntie.Gerald]

Draft Combine - AFL.com.au

i could only find this summary of 2014 vs years gone past

and this one top ten only

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-10-03/who-stole-the-show-in-this-years-draft-combine

[Auntie.Gerald]

2014 NAB AFL DRAFT COMBINE STANDOUT RESULTS

3km time trial (minutes : seconds)
Jack Hiscox 9:18
Tom Lamb 9:45
Alex Neal-Bullen 9:54
Billy Stretch 9:57
Nathan Drummond 9:59
Josh Deluca-Cardillo 10:07
Daniel McKenzie 10:07
Connor Menadue 10:07
Liam Duggan 10:11
Jack Steele 10:11

Hiscox breaks all-time endurance record

Beep test/shuttle run (level)
Caleb Daniel 16.1
Jack Hiscox 16.1
Nathan Drummond 15.9
Tom Lamb 15.5
Ed Langdon 15.3
Jarrod Garlett 15.2
Alex Neal-Bullen 15.2
Jason Castagna 15.2
Billy Stretch 15.1
Jack Steele 15.1
Jordan Cunico 14.12
Christian Petracca 14.12

Click here for full draft and combine news

Kicking test (score out of 30)
Nakia Cockatoo 29
Daniel Howe 28
Kyle Langford 28
Toby McLean 27
Michael Mattingly 27
Nathan Drummond 27
Dean Gore 27
Brett Eddy 27
Clem Smith 26
Liam Duggan 26
Brayden Maynard 26
Jack Steele 26
Ed Vickers-Willis 26
Mitch McGovern 26

How do the combine tests work and who are the record-holders?

Clean hands test (score out of 30)
Nathan Drummond 26
Paddy Brophy 26
Reece McKenzie 26
Tyler Keitel 26
Dougal Howard 26
Michael Mattingly 25
Brett Eddy 25
Caleb Daniel 25
Jake Johansen 25
Jarrod Garlett 25
Brydan Hodgson 25
Marc Pittonet 25
Liam Dawson 25
Jack Cripps 25

Goalkicking test (score out of 30)
Dean Gore 30
Keenan Ramsey 30
Nathan Drummond 25
Paddy Brophy 25
Michael Mattingly 25
Liam Dawson 25
Cory Gregson 25
Aidan Anderson 25
Dougal Howard 24
Jarrod Garlett 24
Jack Cripps 24
Bailey Dale 24
Declan Hamilton 24

20 metre sprint results (sec)
Marvin Baynham 2.81
Oleg Markov 2.87
Jarrod Pickett 2.87
Reece McKenzie 2.87
Connor Menadue 2.88
Nakia Cockatoo 2.90
Ed Langdon 2.92
Paddy Brophy 2.93
Conor McKenna 2.93
Nathan Drummond 2.93

Agility results (sec)
Clem Smith 8.09
Daniel McKenzie 8.10
Conor McKenna 8.12
Jarrod Pickett 8.13
Teia Miles 8.27
Lukas Webb 8.28
Josh McGuinness 8.33
Billy Stretch 8.33
Kyle Langford 8.36
Jack Lonie 8.37

Repeat sprint results (sec)
Nakia Cockatoo 23.93
Nathan Drummond 23.95
Daniel Nielson 23.99
Daniel McKenzie 24.02
Ed Langdon 24.06
Oleg Markov 24.14
Connor Menadue 24.14
Conor McKenna 24.16
Matthew Goodyear 24.49
Jack Hiscox 24.36

Standing vertical jump (cm)
Marvin Baynham 88
Jarrod Garlett 76
Nathan Drummond 76
Christian Petracca 74
Nakia Cockatoo 73
James Rose 73
Dean Gore 72
Nicholas Coughlan 72
Evan Bruinsma 72
Reece McKenzie 72
Tom Read 72

Running vertical jump (cm)
Evan Bruinsma 97
Marvin Baynham 95
Daniel McKenzie 94
Billy Gowers 93
Nathan Drummond 90
Nakia Cockatoo 89
Matthew Uebergang 87
Mitch McGovern 87
James Rose 87
Matthew Hammelmann 87

[jono2707]

As others have said, Rose looks to be a bit of a Membrey replacement. There won't be any rush with him so hopefully his development comes along ok over the next couple of years.

I note Caleb Daniel, who was a teammate of his and pops up a few times in the highlights package, was still available when we got to our pick. Now he would have been an exciting selection. He's about 5 foot nothing but that kid can play - the Bulldogs got a good one there so watch out for him.....

[DamY]

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Yesterday at 1:44 AM
I'd come in here to comment on Rose and see I've already been mentioned. Thanks for the kind words Membling

You've got a keeper here in Rose. I mightn't have been as complimentary of him as I could have been in my profiles and rankings but this is the perfect club for him. I've followed Rose closely this year and have been privileged to see him do things that we wouldn't have seen in highlights.

He'll buy in to your culture - he's a kid from one of the top schools in Adelaide but not one of the pretentious all boys schools that get a bad wrap here. He's an educated and smart kid, got reasonable leadership and great application. He leaves everything on the field - he'll work for the team and his teammates will know that when they go into battle, Rose is coming with them. Never need to worry about him taking the soft option. As a bloke he'll develop into a good team man. He's perhaps a little young now - maybe more so than most draftees; I still feel he's a kid not a man but it shouldn't take long for him to adjust.

He's not Membrey. Not close. I'd take 10 James Roses before I took a Membrey. Rose is a brilliant pound for pound contested grab. He hits the ball hard, he leads so hard and steamrolls anything in his way. He's a good shot for goal and a smart forward. His leads are incredible really. He doesn't have a burst but he's capable of leading so hard for so long he burns off his opponent. He hits the red zone in a short term burst and just keeps going - a bit like Nick Riewoldt at times with regards to that extreme mental ability to run so hard to take one mark. Up the ground he's a composed and poised natural footballer. He's not an incredible athlete nor are his skills elite but his natural footballing ability allows him to be a capable option off a wing or in defence.

He's a keeper boys.

[liz]

As others have said, Rose looks to be a bit of a Membrey replacement. There won't be any rush with him so hopefully his development comes along ok over the next couple of years.

I note Caleb Daniel, who was a teammate of his and pops up a few times in the highlights package, was still available when we got to our pick. Now he would have been an exciting selection. He's about 5 foot nothing but that kid can play - the Bulldogs got a good one there so watch out for him.....

There is a moment on the YouTube highlights clip of an U18 championship game that I remember watching at the time. It was a game where Daniel was so far head and shoulders the best player on the ground that it wasn't funny. The moment I remember was Caleb kicking a goal from tight on the boundary line over his shoulder, while the Vic team was trying to rush the ball over and SA was trying to keep a scoring chance alive as the siren rapidly approached. While I remembered it was Daniel who kicked the goal, I now know who it was that intelligently knocked the ball back into play when it was nearly through for a behind - our very own James Rose.

I think the feature I like best from that highlights package is that he seems to be a thinker, but a quick one. He tries to keep the ball moving to the advantage of his team, sometimes with the unconventional. What he tried to do didn't always come off but I liked the tap ons, either along the ground or in the air when he knew he couldn't take clean possession himself.

He also looks really competitive. I remember someone (probably Beatson) commenting on what had attracted him to AJ in his draft year. He said that Alex hadn't really stood out from the crowd for much of the season, and there were a fair number of options with similar athletic and physical attributes. But then he saw him in one late season game where AJ's will for his team to win, and his inclination to fight for every possession, convinced the Swans that he might have that "it" that turns a solid under age player into a potential AFL player. There are signs of that in those short clips of Rose too. Sure, you need to take any highlights reel with caution, but taken with the comments the club has made about what appealed to them with Rose, you do start to get a sense of what he might be able to bring to the table.

[111431]

sounds like ROK mkII

[wolftone57]

Nickname - what about Sir James?

Steeleye Span - Sir James Rose - YouTube

He comes from Adelaide. He is probably already called 'Rosie'

[RogueSwan]

He comes from Adelaide. He is probably already called 'Rosie'

A Whole Lotta Rosie

[Untamed Snark]

Nickname - what about Sir James?

Steeleye Span - Sir James Rose - YouTube

Axl

[jono2707]

I was thinking Angry - Rose Tattoo?

[Ludwig]

Emma Quayle seems to think we did okay in the draft, including Rose:

A lot of the Swans' work was done pre-draft. Isaac Heeney has all the qualities to become the best player from the draft, Jack Hiscox's running ability is made but Abe Davis is the one to keep an eye on, given his size and the way he can move. James Rose played at half-forward for South Australia in the national championships but is one who will be able to push up and back. A nice pick at 37.

Besides the already noted vertical leap numbers for Rose, he also ran a 2.97 20 mtr sprint and did a very respectable 14.6 in the beep test.

I'm happy to see that the 2 weakest teams, Saints and Demons, both selected well in the draft and can hopefully start moving up the ladder, or at least being more competitive on a consistent basis (Translation: Can beat Collingwood).

The rookie draft is only a few days away and haven't heard a peep out of anyone about what we might be looking for. I suppose a key defender will be one pick. I thought we might nominate a rookie from the academy; perhaps we will hear more on Monday when the list lodgement is made.