Sydney Swans best 22, 2015 AFL Premiership Season

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  • Matt80
    Suspended by the MRP
    • Sep 2013
    • 1802

    My updated team;

    B Reid Richards Smith
    HB Rohan Grundy Rampe
    C Jetta K.Jack Hannas
    HF McVeigh Franklin Mglynn
    F Goodes Tippett Cunning
    Foll Pyke Parker Kennedy

    Inter
    Mitchell
    Heeney
    Lloyd

    Sub
    Jones

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    • Auntie.Gerald
      Veterans List
      • Oct 2009
      • 6480

      a team which some might say is the change of the guard...........no Shaw and no Bird

      IF rohan can make the spot his own on the HBF then I believe this will be the team but I am not sure about Reidy and his role??

      I do believe Cunningham will improve and will be vital for the tagging the best outside players in the comp but Heeney, Lloyd and Tommy i think need to beat Birdy for the spot not the other way round just yet

      but 6 games at the beginning of the season could tell a different story as Goodes will be under pressure also as he has a lot to prove re his lateral movement and ability to come back from his knee issues

      unfortunately Goodes is not the same 2012 player
      "be tough, only when it gets tough"

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      • mcs
        Travelling Swannie!!
        • Jul 2007
        • 8168

        Originally posted by Matt80
        My updated team;

        B Reid Richards Smith
        HB Rohan Grundy Rampe
        C Jetta K.Jack Hannas
        HF McVeigh Franklin Mglynn
        F Goodes Tippett Cunning
        Foll Pyke Parker Kennedy

        Inter
        Mitchell
        Heeney
        Lloyd

        Sub
        Jones
        Reid in a back pocket - can't see that happening. if he is going to go back he will be at CHB or eventually FB - I doubt you'll see him the pocket anytime soon.

        I think McVeigh will go back to defence to replace Mal - thus opening up a spot in the midfied for probably Mitchell. I don't think he will be playing on the HF flank (although I don't mind the idea either).
        "You get the feeling that like Monty Python's Black Knight, the Swans would regard amputation as merely a flesh wound."

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        • Mountain Man
          Regular in the Side
          • Feb 2008
          • 909

          As someone else posted, because the Swans will field such a tall forward line, this is both a strength and weakness - the weakness identified as enabling defensive players a bit more freedom to move quicker to win the ball, and then start the rebound. Goodes is the most likely casualty if his movement remains restricted.

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          • Flying South
            Regular in the Side
            • Sep 2013
            • 585

            Originally posted by mcs
            Reid in a back pocket - can't see that happening. if he is going to go back he will be at CHB or eventually FB - I doubt you'll see him the pocket anytime soon.

            I think McVeigh will go back to defence to replace Mal - thus opening up a spot in the midfied for probably Mitchell. I don't think he will be playing on the HF flank (although I don't mind the idea either).
            Is there such a thing as a back pocket player these days? IMO everything is based on matchups. You just have tall, medium and small defenders. Reid should play in defence as a 3rd tall, but swing forward where matchups dictate. Our main opposition in Hawthorn and Port all got taller with the addition of Frawley and Ryder, he will become an important swingman for us.

            I agree Macca will move back into a defensive midfield (HB) position and share this rebounding role with Rampe and Rohan. This will enable Mitchell to slot into a inside midfield role. I think there could be a generational change about to happwn with Jones, Heeney and Hewett to be pushing strongly for selection early on.

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            • sharp9
              Senior Player
              • Jan 2003
              • 2508

              I don't think that it is out of the question to play 3 tall defenders....Fletcher, AJ anyone??? And if so, one of them gets named in the back pocket....so it's completely plausible to name Reid there as he would be less suited to being the man on man KPD that Ted and Reg currently are...... Harley and *cough* Maxwell....intercepting, marking tall attacking defenders.
              "I'll acknowledge there are more talented teams in the competition but I won't acknowledge that there is a better team in the competition" Paul Roos March 2005

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              • wolftone57
                Veterans List
                • Aug 2008
                • 5857

                I think the side needs to be flexible. Match ups are so important in today's footy. Look what happened in the Granny, our match ups were all wrong, for a start Bird should have been on Mitchell. The current best 22 don't really match up well on the Hawks. Richmond give us trouble when the isolate Dusty because we tend to play a real FB, Teddy on him, instead of Smithy or Rampe.

                I said in another thread that you need at least 30 players vying for the best 22 to win premierships. The more competition the better. Harder at the selection table but it does give us the chance to get the match ups right. This year we need to be more flexible in our selection. I think we been progressing in this area in the last two years. Three years ago you could have picked the side without much debate as to who would be included in the best 22. But today there is more competition for spots and therefore a much stronger list.

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                • dimelb
                  pr. dim-melb; m not f
                  • Jun 2003
                  • 6889

                  Originally posted by wolftone57
                  I think the side needs to be flexible. Match ups are so important in today's footy. Look what happened in the Granny, our match ups were all wrong, for a start Bird should have been on Mitchell. The current best 22 don't really match up well on the Hawks. Richmond give us trouble when the isolate Dusty because we tend to play a real FB, Teddy on him, instead of Smithy or Rampe.
                  Couldn't agree more. I fondly imagined that at some early stage in the selection process the question would be: "Who's our best stopper?" And the obvious next step is to put him on Mitchell or Hodge.

                  Back on topic, I really like the problems of who to go where that we look like having this season. It can only be beneficial.
                  He reminds him of the guys, close-set, slow, and never rattled, who were play-makers on the team. (John Updike, seeing Josh Kennedy in a crystal ball)

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                  • Flying South
                    Regular in the Side
                    • Sep 2013
                    • 585

                    Originally posted by wolftone57
                    I said in another thread that you need at least 30 players vying for the best 22 to win premierships. The more competition the better. Harder at the selection table but it does give us the chance to get the match ups right. This year we need to be more flexible in our selection. I think we been progressing in this area in the last two years. Three years ago you could have picked the side without much debate as to who would be included in the best 22. But today there is more competition for spots and therefore a much stronger list.
                    I agree. I brought up the same last year and was howled down on many occasions. The problem with having a best 22 selection policy is you don't know what some of our up and comers are capable off at senior level. IMO, I would have a squad of about 26 players who are regularly rotated, including Jones, Heeney, Hewett, Towers, Robinson. And then other key players who will be used as substitutes like X Richards, Aliir, Naismith, Nankervis, etc. We should be utilising the substitute role a lot differently than we currently are. We should be using it to test key players and see what they can bring to the team. Example. Say against Melbourne, we start with Aliir on the ground and Reg as the interchange for insurance. If Aliir is struggling we can bring Reg on. Reg can also provide mentoring at the breaks. Aliir will be better for the experience and we will learn a bit more about potential match ups for him. In different games you could bracket X/Ted, Nankervis/Tippett, Naismith/Pyke, etc. The substitute shouldn't be used only for midfielders. IMO there is more upside than down side to this proposal. It promotes a club first mentality rather than an exclusive 22 group and it creates competitiveness amongst the playing group. And we will also know if they are up for the job if called on for a regular role in case of injury or form slumps. Just an idea.

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                    • wolftone57
                      Veterans List
                      • Aug 2008
                      • 5857

                      Horse has played Jetts and Sammy back in the Intra at Coffs. Not totally surprising but would be surprised if they played there all year. He is trying things. He also gave Lewis Melican a big wrap. I was impressed with him too. FS you mention 26 players but I believe you need 30 who are capable of coming in and the side not suffering at all. 26 isn't enough if you have a bad injury run like Freo did in 2013.

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                      • JPK12
                        Suspended by the MRP
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 246

                        So Jetts is going to be an option for our running half back to replace Mal?

                        Is this the new slingshot, the rubber band in which jetts runs in a straight line and bombs it long to an open paddock for buddy or tips?

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                        • Flying South
                          Regular in the Side
                          • Sep 2013
                          • 585

                          Originally posted by wolftone57
                          FS you mention 26 players but I believe you need 30 who are capable of coming in and the side not suffering at all. 26 isn't enough if you have a bad injury run like Freo did in 2013.
                          I agree completely Wolfy. What I am proposing is the following 26 players would be rotated through the starting 21;

                          D: Smith, Richards, Grundy
                          HB: McVeigh, Reid, Rampe
                          CTR: Parker, Hannebery, Jetta
                          FOL: Pyke, Kennedy, Mitchell
                          HF: Jack, Franklin, Lloyd
                          F: Goodes, Tippett, McGlynn
                          INT: Rohan, Bird, Cunningham

                          Rotational Players (or fringe players)
                          Jones, Heeney, Hewett, Towers, Robinson

                          We then utilise the substitute role for the following players in selected games
                          Naismith, Nankervis, X Richards, Aliir

                          That makes up a squad of 30 players who are being exposed to senior footy and providing depth. If any of these players are injured then it provides the opportunity to expose others such as Melican. But for it to happen, Horse would have to change his best 22 philosophy.

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                          • wolftone57
                            Veterans List
                            • Aug 2008
                            • 5857

                            Originally posted by Flying South
                            I agree completely Wolfy. What I am proposing is the following 26 players would be rotated through the starting 21;

                            D: Smith, Richards, Grundy
                            HB: McVeigh, Reid, Rampe
                            CTR: Parker, Hannebery, Jetta
                            FOL: Pyke, Kennedy, Mitchell
                            HF: Jack, Franklin, Lloyd
                            F: Goodes, Tippett, McGlynn
                            INT: Rohan, Bird, Cunningham

                            Rotational Players (or fringe players)
                            Jones, Heeney, Hewett, Towers, Robinson

                            We then utilise the substitute role for the following players in selected games
                            Naismith, Nankervis, X Richards, Aliir

                            That makes up a squad of 30 players who are being exposed to senior footy and providing depth. If any of these players are injured then it provides the opportunity to expose others such as Melican. But for it to happen, Horse would have to change his best 22 philosophy.
                            I agree totally. I still remember the frustration of 2011 where we played very few new players. We really sould have been trying heaps as the so called best 22 was definitely not our best. Of course we didn't have the depth we have now. I am of the firm belief this is the best depth we have had since the advent of the AFL.

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                            • Aaron
                              Regular in the Side
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 805

                              And Ryce will be the Player-coach in the reserves?

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                              • YvonneH
                                Senior Player
                                • Sep 2011
                                • 1141

                                Originally posted by Aaron
                                And Ryce will be the Player-coach in the reserves?
                                We could do worse.

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