So i re-watched the first 2 qrts of the grand final

[JPK12]

Damn the hawks got the sniff that it was their day from about the 15 minute mark and were relentless from then on. Also once they got a feel for the umpiring they knew it was theres. Notable mention is the terrible elbow by McEvoy on Jetta and Rohans face getting in the way of Mitchells elbow, which is the way stevic saw it. Same as buddies neck and face being in the way of that pillar of fair play, Brian Lake.

Then the final straw was Grundys terrible non mark and spoil.

After those incidents and some "unsociable footy" from the hawks some of the boys body language was gone, they knew it wasn't going to be their flag.

We can blame the pea heart effort and take pot shots at the lads but in reality the hawks, with the help of stevic, was never going to loose this game. Players like Hodge made sure of it, think the guy is a gun but prone to dog acts.

Anyway i still havent watched the second half as on the day i switched it off put my headphones on, took 3 valiums, drank some whisky, so by the time it was all over i was asleep.

[Ampersand]

The umpiring had nothing to do with the loss, nor the Hawks physicality. It was our response that was pathetic. It was bad enough to take the gloss off 2012 for me, because the historical narrative will be that we stole it in 2012 before the Hawks restored their "rightful" dominance in 2014. It still makes me sick to think about.

[Bloodthirsty]

Yeah the Swans lost it, obviously, but umpiring is never impartial. To say that experienced umpires entrenched for years in the system aren't aware of the preferred outcome for the VFL - and not have that in their minds somewhere when umpiring - is incredibly naive. We've all seen it time and time again. Sometimes the umpires do all they can and the less favoured team are required to be better than they would otherwise need to be if there was true impartiality.

The game is corrupt, and you would have to be the AFL Team of the Century to prove infallible to such corruption.

AFL wanted the Hawks to win, as they did in 2012. The Swans just made it easier for them than 2 years ago.

[Jewels]

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Anyway i still havent watched the second half as on the day i switched it off put my headphones on, took 3 valiums, drank some whisky, so by the time it was all over i was asleep.

Wish I could have done that at the ground on the day!

[ScottH]

Wish I could have done that at the ground on the day!

I think I did the last part.

[cartman48]

Nothing to do with Stevic.....

[JPK12]

The umpiring had nothing to do with the loss, nor the Hawks physicality. It was our response that was pathetic. It was bad enough to take the gloss off 2012 for me, because the historical narrative will be that we stole it in 2012 before the Hawks restored their "rightful" dominance in 2014. It still makes me sick to think about.

Have you watched the game since?

The umpiring was pathetic in the first qrt.

No one stole anything, thats just an insulting narrative that victorians love to throw around. We won 2012 fair and square and deserved it.

[JPK12]

Yeah the Swans lost it, obviously, but umpiring is never impartial. To say that experienced umpires entrenched for years in the system aren't aware of the preferred outcome for the VFL - and not have that in their minds somewhere when umpiring - is incredibly naive. We've all seen it time and time again. Sometimes the umpires do all they can and the less favoured team are required to be better than they would otherwise need to be if there was true impartiality.

The game is corrupt, and you would have to be the AFL Team of the Century to prove infallible to such corruption.

AFL wanted the Hawks to win, as they did in 2012. The Swans just made it easier for them than 2 years ago.

The umpire plays a massive role in outcomes in AFL games. People who think its below them to complain about the umpiring are just in massive denial, the same people who think AFL is the most loved game in the world.

AFL is the easiest game for an official to rig as its rules are open to many interpretations.

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Wish I could have done that at the ground on the day!

I think the warm sun of the day helped me fall asleep in no time.

I woke after 8 hours and the first thing i said to my wife was "did we win" and no sooner than finishing the sentence it hit me we got flogged..such a terrible feeling.

[AnnieH]

Nah.
I won't even watch it up to Reg's terrible mark and non-spoil... after that it fell apart.

[Bloodthirsty]

Let's not forget home ground advantage. Probably the biggest factor. No such thing as equality.

[JPK12]

Its farcical when i hear in the media teams like hawks and pies are playing for a spot in the finals and a chance to play at home twice.

When they do anyway!

[Bloodthirsty]

Its farcical when i hear in the media teams like hawks and pies are playing for a spot in the finals and a chance to play at home twice.

When they do anyway!

Hey man just wondering......why on earth would you watch this match again? Have you done something terrible that you are trying to atone for or punish yourself for?? Or have you sold yourself to science and helping scientists measure exactly how much disappointment a human being can handle; really pushing past the extremes of human capabilities? ...Hope it pays well!

[Cheer_Cheer]

I don't think you were the only one on the day JPK12 to have taken some valium..

[AnnieH]

Hey man just wondering......why on earth would you watch this match again? Have you done something terrible that you are trying to atone for or punish yourself for?? Or have you sold yourself to science and helping scientists measure exactly how much disappointment a human being can handle; really pushing past the extremes of human capabilities? ...Hope it pays well!

This.
Badly.

[JPK12]

Hey man just wondering......why on earth would you watch this match again? Have you done something terrible that you are trying to atone for or punish yourself for?? Or have you sold yourself to science and helping scientists measure exactly how much disappointment a human being can handle; really pushing past the extremes of human capabilities? ...Hope it pays well!

I just had to find out at what point things turned sour and it didnt take long at all to get to that point in the game. I didnt watch the second half and never will. Do i feel better after watching it? No but i did it anyway out of curiosity.

I still am resentful though, when i go to a store like JB and see the hawks DVD win i actually turn it around or replace it with another dvd, the same as the mag at 7-11.

Plus i am a sucker for punishment..according to my wife.